https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Bata 2026-04-12T13:57:26Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=How_to_translate&diff=2121 2009-02-10T14:20:18Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>==english==<br /> <br /> *You can start by learning on [[How_to_edit_Wiki]] for knowing basics about wiki formatting<br /> *You can have the help of online tools for checking your vocabulary doubts<br /> ** [http://www.google.pt/language_tools?hl=en google] or [http://www.answers.com answers]<br /> <br /> *The idea is to create only one page for each topic, and then dividing it according to languages with the &quot;=&quot; around<br /> ** then to link you just need to use &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; and result is: [[original#language|translated]]<br /> *** You should replace &quot;original&quot; by the page name (english), &quot;language&quot; by the idiom in which you are translating, and &quot;translated&quot; with the foreigner word<br /> **** Careful with the capitalization! It's better to put the language name without capital at the beginning<br /> *** It's better to create new page with names in english and then translate them in the &quot;complex&quot; links as shown above<br /> *** the names of languages should be with special characters (and no capitals) to avoid problems with links<br /> <br /> * When starting a new page, you can copy this &quot;standard&quot; code:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> ==english==<br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==<br /> <br /> <br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Route_2008&diff=2120 2009-02-10T13:17:26Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>All the dates are provisional!!! This page was last modified on 02 July 2008<br /> <br /> please contribute to this page by editing it here ({{fullurl:route}})<br /> OR by commenting at our [[mailing list]]s<br /> <br /> * There is a page with [[Map]]s and info on how to use them<br /> * This page works a sketch for the webpage content at the [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/route website] where there will be maps<br /> <br /> <br /> =START - [[Sofia, Bulgaria]] (2 July 2008)=<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Bulgaria]] (2-16 July)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Bulgaria]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Bulgaria_route08}}<br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Turkey]] (17 July - 14 August)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Turkey]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Turkey_route08}}<br /> <br /> =END - [[Ecotopia]] in [[Sarikum]] ([http://www.ecotopiagathering.org/ website]) [14 August]=<br /> This year, the annual [[Ecotopia]] Gathering (= a meeting of activist individuals and groups, focusing on issues of environment and social justice) will take place between 9-23 August in Sarikum (Turkey), close to the city Sinop at the Black Sea coast. [[Ecotopia]]'s site will be near a location determined for the construction of a nuclear power station. Main theme of this years gathering will be energy. We will protest against the use of nuclear energy and focus on possible environmental and sustainable solutions for the energy crisis. You are invited to take part, and discuss this and other issues, support local activists and meet with groups from different parts of Europe.</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Map_2008&diff=2119 2009-02-10T13:15:09Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>'''To participate and collaborate in editing the map:'''<br /> <br /> *Ask [[YOlanda]] or national organizers to invite you as collaborater<br /> **Open the map, via the link sended by them <br /> ***If you have a gmail account you can log in with this password<br /> ****Otherwise register yourself for a gmail account<br /> <br /> '''To edit:''' <br /> *Go to the google map page with the Biketour map<br /> **click on &quot;edit&quot; <br /> ***Find the place you want to add (with &quot;search the map&quot;)<br /> ****Put a mark<br /> <br /> then you should fill the fields with something like:<br /> *Title: name of the place<br /> **Description: when (date) and others important info<br /> ***other relevant factors like: MainPlaces , sleep , action/rest day</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Recipes&diff=2114 2009-02-10T12:39:37Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>'''pippa's vegan curry type stuff:'''<br /> <br /> you need:<br /> <br /> loads of onions<br /> <br /> loads of garlic<br /> <br /> loads of spinach or other green leafy vegetable, cut as small as you can be bothered to make it<br /> <br /> loads of potatoes, diced<br /> <br /> loads of rice or something to serve the curry with<br /> <br /> loads of tomatoes, cut up quite small<br /> <br /> salt <br /> <br /> chilli pepper<br /> <br /> ginger (plenty)<br /> <br /> coriander and cumin (maybe not so easy to get in eastern european <br /> villages, but in bigger places it shouldn't be so hard) (you need Indian cumin not european cumin)<br /> <br /> other curry type spices you can find such as garam masala, cardamom, mustard seeds<br /> <br /> - boil the potatoes separately otherwise they will never cook. <br /> <br /> - cook the rice if you are going to have some<br /> <br /> - fry the onions and garlic then when they are done, add the spices and stir it around so that the spices are also a bit fried (but be careful not to obliterate them completely).<br /> <br /> add the tomatoes, spinach and cooked potatoes and cook together for a few minutes until the tomatoes have turned into a sauce and the spinach is cooked. et voila!</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Ideas&diff=2113 2009-02-10T12:38:25Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>==i have 2 ideas for stickers:==<br /> <br /> 1) we should have one sticker to mark the route, as addition to bt-sign, but a bit longer lasting and more reliable<br /> putting these stickers can be another task during the tour<br /> <br /> here is an idea, how this sticker could look like<br /> http://www.thebiketour.net/old/uploads/pics/trianglesticker.png<br /> u see, i am not the great photoshopper, this is just that u can get an idea<br /> the triangle should be more clearly pointing into one direction, the colour as bright as can be and there can some work be done on the font and the logo<br /> <br /> 2) i also would like to have lots of different outreach stickers<br /> local kids just love to et them, and they wil put them all over and make advertisement for us<br /> <br /> ==travelling exhibition==<br /> i did a exhibition with laminated a4 photos of past tours. you can get the files from me <br /> but i was planning a lot more:<br /> <br /> i am planning on a bt exhibition<br /> we have 4 trailors so 8 sides to advertise with<br /> but i have a bigger exhibition in mind<br /> 2 sides a3 or a2 lamiated<br /> and a frame system to bundle them on the trailors<br /> even with 5 sheets per trailor we come to 10 per trailor and 40 in total<br /> but around 100 would be better<br /> such an exhibition is a good way to create space 4 an bt action on a market place.<br /> nad it has to work with as few words a posssible. do u know some good pictures/graphics/graphs about traffic ? or about other bt themes, local production, waste, community, whatever ...<br /> black and white would be great, i dod not know about our budget of this thing, if we can afford colour. i have the cartoons cd and will scann through the bt photos of 2003 to 2005 i have jan</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Domain_name&diff=2105 2009-02-10T12:11:31Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div> This is about the new domain [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net ecotopiabiketour.net]<br /> =english=<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Information==<br /> After losing control to our domain [[http://btwiki.ecobytes.net/Website#domain-name_decision thebiketour.net]] , and without much doubts about if the website could be out again during the tour, it was urgent to find a solution.<br /> In the beginning of April [[Joao]] bought the new domain and set up some services under it.<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Google Apps===<br /> It's a [https://www.google.com/a/ google apps] pack that will make easier the hosting and managing of [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/Mail/index.html email] and [http://www.google.com/support/talk/ chat], [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/Calendar/index.html calendaring], [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/DocsSpreadsheets/index.html shared documents], a [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/WebPages/index.html basic webpage designer] and a portal or let's say a [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/StartPage/index.html startpage].<br /> <br /> *e-mail at http://mail.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **You can have a NAME@ecotopiabiketour.net address with 2gb, and with the option of forwarding to your main account<br /> <br /> *calendar at http://calendar.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **we can collaborate in a single calendar for BT<br /> <br /> *Documents http://docs.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **it's possible to edit simultaneous texts and spreadsheets, with versions like wiki, and host them online<br /> <br /> *Webpages http://pages.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **people can help with basic design of webpages<br /> <br /> *Start page at http://start.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **we you can see some feeds, as if it would be a a portal for the rest of services<br /> <br /> ==Create account==<br /> *there will be a form for that<br /> *for now you can ask [[Joao]]</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Booklet_06&diff=2103 2009-02-10T12:10:08Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>The texts for this year's booklet. We need it ASAP!<br /> <br /> ==cover==<br /> <br /> ==bt booklet:==<br /> <br /> 1. [[short intro about the biketour]]<br /> <br /> 2. [[explanation of idea behind &quot;bike it yourself&quot;]]<br /> <br /> 3. [[participation guidelines (from registration form)]]<br /> <br /> 4. [[overall route, short description of route in each country (few highlights)]]<br /> <br /> 5. [[intro about consensus]]<br /> <br /> 6. [[intro about food; recipes]]<br /> <br /> ==country booklet:== <br /> (added to bt booklet after border crossing):<br /> <br /> 1. detailed information about route, sleeping places<br /> <br /> 2. short explanation of actions<br /> <br /> 3. short vocabulary<br /> <br /> 4. local contact information (phone number etc)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==extra:==<br /> in info kit<br /> <br /> 1. [[intro about daily tasks, jan's txt about camp setup]]<br /> <br /> 2. information about organic farms, bike shop close to the route<br /> <br /> 3. [[vegan/vegetarian food recipes (or in bt booklet)]]<br /> <br /> ==camp setup==<br /> <br /> Biketour is always late, especially the dinner. &quot;Dinner making&quot; is a difficult task - you have to be early if you do not want people to eat in the dark - You have to find a market, do the shopping, decide on the menu according to what is available, prepare the kitchen, build the stove, gather firewood, wait for the trailors to come with the equipment and start cooking, which sometimes is painfully slow on a campfire, especially with wet wood.<br /> But everyone can help speeding up this process: If you arrive at our sleeping place prepare the kitchen! That is get/gather firewood and start the fire. Gather stones and build the stove - well just simply some stones around the fire for the pots to stand on. If that is done, put on some - half a pot - of water, as boiling big amounts of water takes longest, and if the cooks do not need it, we can always make some tea.<br /> Now you may go and build up your tent :)<br /> <br /> ==others==</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Meeting_minutes&diff=2099 2009-02-10T12:05:29Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>==meeting minutes==<br /> <br /> '''''can someone put this page into shape ? we have lots of meting minutes still floating around in diferent wikis, and some mintues of wheel minutes, and as the whole page should not become too big it woulod be good to have one subpage per meeting - with good titles including the date of the meeting'''''<br /> <br /> here we have the minutes of the meeting in prague and the one in the lobau<br /> both happende dezember 2006<br /> <br /> prague was about bt and wcn, the relationship between the tour and the office, and money issues<br /> <br /> lobau was an evalution meeting of the 2007 tour, with some deas about the future<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===prague===<br /> Minutes meeting 13 december Prague<br /> <br /> Present: Camilla, Randy, Joao, Ivan, Roeland, Janneke, and Jan on skype. <br /> <br /> ====Youth grant of the last two years====<br /> <br /> Some questions were raised about last year's grant: <br /> <br /> - What happened with the money leftovers from 2005 and 2006?<br /> <br /> - How much did WCN get?<br /> <br /> Camilla already answered them partly by mail, and gave some further explanation.<br /> We have to use the money according to the rules. Randy mentions that it might be better to find other funding than from the Youth programme that fits more with what biketour actually is. <br /> Camilla has an excel sheet with all the financial information that she will send to Joao who will distribute it to anybody who is interested. <br /> <br /> ==== Youth grant for this year ====<br /> <br /> WCN will not do the Youth grant this year. <br /> The application is already partly finished, so if we find an organisation in Portugal or Spain they could still apply. (but anyhow it would be too late to use the money for this year's biketour)<br /> We discussed some pros and cons of having eastern European or Caucasus countries as partners, but finally it will depend on the organisation who will do the application. <br /> <br /> ====EVS position====<br /> <br /> If we would apply for EVS, the person could only start in May, which means two months before biketour starts. That would only help if it is a person who is already familiar with biketour. <br /> If we do that, it would make more sense to have the EVS person in Portugal or Spain, and an organisation there could apply. It depends on the organisation we will find. <br /> <br /> ====Communication between biketour and WCN====<br /> <br /> We talked more about the Youth grant. <br /> <br /> Camilla was surprised that these things are so unclear for biketour people, perhaps Roeland could have communicated more. <br /> Randy says that some of the plans as made in Moldova for the leftovers of 2005 did not happen because there was nobody to do it. Perhaps we also expected more money because part of the travel costs had to be refunded, because we did not have the right tickets from the right countries. Next time we should make sure we have the right tickets (right places and dates). The rest of the money went to 2006. <br /> Officially it is not possible to keep leftovers form a grant for another year. Jan mentions that a solution could be to transfer money to another country (e.g. to pay our webmaster in Vienna) and that money could be used for the next year. <br /> <br /> Roeland mentions that the Youth programme is being changed, that it could be a problem for biketour. We could try to find money from other sources, concretely this will depend on the organisers of this year. We also agree that biketour actually does not need so much funding. <br /> <br /> <br /> ====Future relation between WCN and biketour====<br /> <br /> Randy makes a statement about the meaning of biketour for WCN. Biketour is in line with WCNs mission, and in principle they want to support it. For 2007 WCN could offer to support outreach, the website, or possibly apply for an 2008 EVS volunteer. This person cannot be project coordinator and cannot handle finances, and it would be good if it would be somebody who is already familiar with biketour. <br /> WCN has limited capacity, but they are open to ideas from biketours side, what are their needs? Some ideas how WCN could help are being a contact point during the tour, or for storage of equipment. WCN also wants to provide materials to hand out. <br /> <br /> Ivan mentions that it would be good if WCN would send somebody from the office to participate in biketour, this would be good for the connection. Randy agrees, and mentions on the other hand that biketour people could also be more involved in other WCN projects. The carfree exhibition could be a good project for biketour and WCN together. <br /> <br /> ====How to go on in 2007?====<br /> <br /> We agree that biketour doesnt know yet. WCN is in principle open to help if we tell them our needs, but that will depend on the organisers. <br /> <br /> Other possibilities for fundraising could be to have sponsors or donations from individuals. We mainly need that money for the international coordinator. At the moment Roeland cannot be international coordinator if there is no money. <br /> <br /> <br /> ====Some last points====<br /> <br /> - Camilla will send the info on excel sheets. <br /> <br /> - Jan asks Roeland to please communicate as much as possible with other people. <br /> <br /> - Next biketour meeting will be in Portugal or Spain. <br /> <br /> ===lobau===<br /> <br /> Meeting Lobau 18th dec 06<br /> Janneke, Jan, Joao, Ivan<br /> <br /> ==== PART ONE: EVALUATION 2006 ====<br /> <br /> '''1.COMMUNICATION'''<br /> <br /> issues in 2006:<br /> <br /> - nothing on org mailing list<br /> <br /> - nothing happened before february 2006<br /> <br /> Joao says: no support from the office, bad communication with the office and with Roeland, he didn't say <br /> alternatives to grant money.<br /> <br /> - lousy communication on the road; not enough time for org. circles. Problems with Dzemian, Csaba<br /> <br /> Jan thinks: Studene we bad meeting (big costs from it, was it worth?), communication issue started from that meeting<br /> <br /> Ivan on communication: <br /> <br /> - communication wasn't biggest problem this year<br /> <br /> - I wasn't at Studene, but Tabor was OK, except for incident with Olga<br /> <br /> - experienced BT organizers had no problems with informations missing<br /> <br /> <br /> Joao on communication:<br /> <br /> - Studene - Sapi didn't manage communication - messy meeting - bad seeds<br /> - on the tour:<br /> <br /> Lithuania - Joao vs. Vita<br /> <br /> Poland - Dzemian vs. old bt people<br /> <br /> Slovakia - Rado didn't participated in the group, Michal just translated<br /> <br /> Hungary - Csaba often out of reach<br /> <br /> Slovenia - very good, had only one meeting Ivan with Lidija. Open dynamic organizer.<br /> <br /> Croatia - good: ivan joined earlier, bad - when he was out due to bike problems<br /> <br /> Other communication remarks:<br /> <br /> - big rule: MEET PERSONALLY!!!<br /> <br /> - how to make people read the booklet????<br /> <br /> - good this year was working mobile phone system<br /> <br /> - maybe to invest in mobile internet<br /> <br /> - wcn offered online contact ... ?? (can't read :)<br /> <br /> - fight NO REPLY culture from 2006<br /> <br /> The Future:<br /> <br /> - have the roles on IC and NOs CLEARLY DEFINED!!!<br /> <br /> - explain NOs what their role implies: in a session (presentation) on meetings and skype<br /> <br /> - more talking sticks during biketour<br /> <br /> - presentation on consensus at beginning of the tour<br /> <br /> - installing of a board: regular skype meetings!!<br /> <br /> ====2. LENGTH OF BT 06, PART AFTER ECOTOPIA====<br /> <br /> Ivan's concerns: group was smaller after E. and not clear if there was proper goal: Ecotopia is nice goal, in case of Split we tried to make artificial goal.<br /> <br /> Joao: BT is not about goal (Split was formality in fact) but about the way, pleasure of it, the change..<br /> <br /> Jan: still, lots of BT people participate because of goal...<br /> - some 10-12 people joined from E. - so there is sense in that (some 3 people joined at E unplanned).<br /> <br /> Conclusion: can we have several smaller goals along a route? (it worked in 2004: conference in Berlin, camp in germany, ecotopia..)<br /> <br /> Duration: <br /> <br /> - very few people stayed for 3 months.<br /> <br /> - maybe very long BT was reason for very few people at all times?<br /> <br /> So generally we like idea of after BT but tour should be shorter.<br /> <br /> Conclusions for future:<br /> <br /> 1 - aprox. 2 months, <br /> <br /> 2 - longer part before E and shorter after, <br /> <br /> 3 - several smaller goals along the route.<br /> <br /> <br /> ====3. PARTICIPATION OF PEOPLE====<br /> <br /> Several issues:<br /> <br /> A) why so few ppl are interested in BT in general?<br /> (outreach issue?) <br /> <br /> Croatian example:<br /> <br /> there was outreach txt in english at several web sites even before Ivan wrote croatian one. Croatian was at some 10 web sites and alternative / activist / cyclist portals. During the route there was incredible media coverage (some 20 appearances). Number of NEW people who participated in Croatia was 1, some 3 of previous BT participants joined.<br /> <br /> B) DIY doesn't work over years!!! <br /> (in fact, does it work on biketour at all?)<br /> <br /> - after BT &quot;core people&quot; leave, group hardly makes even basic circles (example at Croatian part)<br /> <br /> C) question of ACTIONS on the tour: how much, do we need and like them?<br /> <br /> - actions are crucial for identity of Ecotopia BT (reminded by Daka and Ivan)<br /> <br /> - actions are crucial for BT media appearance (example of Croatia - 20 times in the media, because of actions)<br /> <br /> - but often participants are bored with actions (again example of Croatia)<br /> <br /> D) Daka's and Ivan's notes from ex-NO's meeting in October 06:<br /> <br /> 1) PERSONAL FREEDOMS vs group commitment:<br /> <br /> There is issue of personal freedoms (people who don't want to get up early, who want to have totally free rest days, who have private needs.. etc) repeated every year. In our opinion (as organizers from 05 &amp; 06) there should be some sort of discussion with people when we gather on the road: people should give advantage to participating the group benefit over their needs - that is the essence of bloody biketour!!!<br /> (small illustration: an old biketour person had task of cooking dinner one evening, but decided to have decent shower first - so dinner happened later - bad bad biketour person!!!)<br /> So participants should be asked for personal compromises, for example: not to do morning yoga on every morning but on some, not to sleep long on every morning, etc. <br /> <br /> 2) All people will be strongly invited to tell their SPECIAL NEED AND FEATURES.<br /> (for example Ivan: &quot;I have extremely crappy bike and could stay behind the group because of malfunctions&quot;)<br /> <br /> 3) some more STRICT RULES about times of morning departure, safety etc.<br /> Yes, rules are unpopular, but without *certain* rules project falls apart and leaves trail of grumpy organizers behind...<br /> <br /> 4) school for National Organizers! It's a hard and very specific job - we should work more with them.<br /> Please notice: every year is repeated that organizers are people new to BT, every year they are disappointed eventually - another reason for proper school.<br /> <br /> 5) SAFETY ISSUE: considering where we have been last 4 years and what happened on a way (accidents, attacks to participants, etc) we were lucky in fact. What if we won't be that lucky in future? Better worry that sorry: lets introduce soft set of rules, starting with HELMETS.<br /> Jan commented - safety is personal responsibility...<br /> <br /> 6) Daka's question: <br /> Can we ask ourselves what is REAL AIM of Biketour?<br /> He says - if it's daily distances and food - it isn't Ecotopia Biketour.<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== PART TWO: DECISIONS AND PLANS FOR 2007====<br /> <br /> As we know from previous meeting with WCN, Biketour DOESN'T HAVE FUNDS FOR 2007!!!<br /> This means there won't be person in WCN office, no Roeland and no EVS person from February (when Joao will leave).<br /> Leftover of money from 06 is aprox. 850 euros.<br /> We have 3 bob trailers, + baby trailer which will hopefully return to Prague.<br /> <br /> Several measures to deal with this situation:<br /> <br /> Joao will travel in February (on voluntary basis) to Spain and Portugal to MEET personally people interested to do local organizing.<br /> <br /> For organizing of the tour we will ask some organizations (environmental ones I guess) in the countries where BT will pass (considering project can't pay NO's). Contacting them probably starting with Joao at WCN in January.<br /> Such a organizations could even do some fundraising, or put BT inside existing projects in some small shape.<br /> <br /> Another thing is we decided to make board (started at meeting at Ecotopia in August).<br /> <br /> Why - people don't reply to emails - frustration<br /> <br /> What - experienced people who commit to MEET VIA SKYPE TWICE A MONTH and answer mails on the list<br /> + to care for organizers this year, answer their questions &amp; ask them how they do.<br /> Furthermore, another function should be to have ADVISORY ROLE and decision making function (at least when BT is not on the road), but strictly voluntary.<br /> To avoid formal feeling, we'd like to use name THE WHEEL (or just wheel)<br /> <br /> Interested people join 1st meeting of the Wheel, time to be announced.<br /> The Wheel members have obligation not to be authoritarian and grumpy on the road!<br /> <br /> '''Info on 2007 route:'''<br /> <br /> Starting possibly in Barcelona<br /> <br /> - straight west to Santiago de Compostela<br /> <br /> - southward to Lisboa.<br /> <br /> So far the most possible venue for Ecotopia is south of Lisboa (not in very south of Portugal as was thought earlier).<br /> <br /> Joao calculated this takes 60 days already, with 50km average per day.<br /> Question is where to put staying at eco-projects we want to do this year?<br /> <br /> ----------------<br /> ====Spanish contacts:====<br /> <br /> - Marcos (Amici dela bici) - Joao phoned him.<br /> Lets talk to him that his organization could support BT after advice of The Wheel; Joao will do it after 1st skype meeting<br /> <br /> - Jan has 2 contacts but now cannot remmember names<br /> <br /> - Diana and Eva from BT<br /> <br /> - Sara from Ecotopia - no mail reply<br /> <br /> - Xavier - does anyone know where he is???<br /> <br /> ===[[Beograd 29- 30 January 2005]]===<br /> ===[[Studene 8.-10 10.2004]]===<br /> ===[[Zagreb 15/16 October 2005]]===<br /> ===[[studene feb06]]=== offers some nice collection of what is bt...<br /> <br /> === hear u in THE WHEEL !!! ===</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Map_2008&diff=2098 2009-02-10T11:56:57Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>'''To participate and collaborate in editing the map:'''<br /> <br /> *Ask [[YOlanda]] or national organizers to invite you as collaborater<br /> **Open the map, via the link sended by them <br /> ***If you have a gmail account you can log in with this password<br /> ****Otherwise register yourself for a gmail account<br /> <br /> '''To edit:''' <br /> *Go to the google map page with the Biketour map<br /> **click on &quot;edit&quot; <br /> ***Find the place you want to add (with &quot;search the map&quot;)<br /> ****Put a mark<br /> <br /> then you should fill the fields with something like:<br /> *Title: name of the place<br /> **Description: when (date) and others important info<br /> ***other relevant factors like: MainPlaces , sleep , action/rest day</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=How_to_translate&diff=2097 2009-02-10T11:55:34Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>==english==<br /> <br /> *You can start by learning on [[How_to_edit_Wiki]] for knowing basics about wiki formatting<br /> *You can have the help of online tools for checking your vocabulary doubts<br /> ** [http://www.google.pt/language_tools?hl=en google] or [http://www.answers.com answers]<br /> <br /> *The idea is to create only one page for each topic, and then dividing it according to languages with the &quot;=&quot; around<br /> ** then to link you just need to use &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; and result is: [[original#language|translated]]<br /> *** You should replace &quot;original&quot; by the page name (english), &quot;language&quot; by the idiom in which you are translating, and &quot;translated&quot; with the foreigner word<br /> **** Careful with the capitalization! It's better to put the language name without capital at the beginning<br /> *** It's better to create new page with names in english and then translate them in the &quot;complex&quot; links as shown above<br /> *** the names of languages should be with special characters (and no capitals) to avoid problems with links<br /> <br /> * When starting a new page, you can copy this &quot;standard&quot; code:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> ==english==<br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==<br /> <br /> <br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Route_2008&diff=2095 2009-02-10T11:49:49Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>All the dates are provisional!!! This page was last modified on 02 July 2008<br /> <br /> please contribute to this page by editing it here ({{fullurl:route}})<br /> OR by commenting at our [[mailing list]]s<br /> <br /> * There is a page with [[Map]]s and info on how to use them<br /> * This page works a sketch for the webpage content at the [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/route website] where there will be maps<br /> <br /> <br /> =START - [[Sofia, Bulgaria]] (2 July 2008)=<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Bulgaria]] (2-16 July)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Bulgaria]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Bulgaria_route08}}<br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Turkey]] (17 July - 14 August)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Turkey]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Turkey_route08}}<br /> <br /> =END - [[Ecotopia]] in [[Sarikum]] ([http://www.ecotopiagathering.org/ website]) [14 August]=<br /> This year, the annual [[Ecotopia]] Gathering (= a meeting of activist individuals and groups, focusing on issues of environment and social justice) will take place between 9-23 August in Sarikum (Turkey), close to the city Sinop at the Black Sea coast. [[Ecotopia]]'s site will be near a location determined for the construction of a nuclear power station. Main theme of this years gathering will be energy. We will protest against the use of nuclear energy and focus on possible environmental and sustainable solutions for the energy crisis. You are invited to take part, and discuss this and other issues, support local activists and meet with groups from different parts of Europe.</div>

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<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>'''pippa's vegan curry type stuff:'''<br /> <br /> you need:<br /> <br /> loads of onions<br /> <br /> loads of garlic<br /> <br /> loads of spinach or other green leafy vegetable, cut as small as you can be bothered to make it<br /> <br /> loads of potatoes, diced<br /> <br /> loads of rice or something to serve the curry with<br /> <br /> loads of tomatoes, cut up quite small<br /> <br /> salt <br /> <br /> chilli pepper<br /> <br /> ginger (plenty)<br /> <br /> coriander and cumin (maybe not so easy to get in eastern european <br /> villages, but in bigger places it shouldn't be so hard) (you need Indian cumin not european cumin)<br /> <br /> other curry type spices you can find such as garam masala, cardamom, mustard seeds<br /> <br /> - boil the potatoes separately otherwise they will never cook. <br /> <br /> - cook the rice if you are going to have some<br /> <br /> - fry the onions and garlic then when they are done, add the spices and stir it around so that the spices are also a bit fried (but be careful not to obliterate them completely).<br /> <br /> add the tomatoes, spinach and cooked potatoes and cook together for a few minutes until the tomatoes have turned into a sauce and the spinach is cooked. et voila!</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Nextmeeting&diff=1892 2009-02-07T12:47:00Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>=english=<br /> ==BT meetings==<br /> <br /> we meet every some months in person - next meeting will be in march in spain somewhere - details to be announced soon here !<br /> <br /> ==Mailing list==<br /> Our mailing lists are very important [[Internet_resources]] to maintain communication<br /> <br /> ==online wheel meeting==<br /> <br /> '''Next online meeting:''' <br /> <br /> Meeting to make descisions on the timeschedule for Biketour 2008 (see actual discussion on biketour emaillists)<br /> <br /> For now there are two proposed dates times: <br /> <br /> '''Monday 26th of may at 20:00''' (Pippa will probably be in Sofia and able to join)<br /> <br /> '''or'''<br /> <br /> '''Tuesday 27th of may at 19:00'''<br /> <br /> Who will take part? at least national organizers. It would for sure be helpfull to have some experienced former BTorganizers involved.<br /> <br /> <br /> *Suha, Milan, Teodor/Radi (national organizers) and others inform Yolanda (YO) when you are able to join as soon as possible! Then she can decide on the definite date!!!<br /> * YO will prepair an agenda and overview of arguments and info concerning the dicussion on the BT08 timeschedule <br /> * To join the meeting you will have to send a skype chat message to YO - holadiyo - so that she can invite you to the conference call<br /> *check your connection before the meeting starts! (see below) <br /> <br /> <br /> ---------------------------------------------<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> and the we do the [[wheel]] meetings online using skype<br /> when will the next wheel meeting be ? when do you have time ?<br /> <br /> jan: sunday afternoon<br /> <br /> karl: sunday evening (after 20:00 CEST)<br /> <br /> Janneke: sunday afternoon or evening is usually fine. In Principle every evening except wednesday, but that doesn't always work out...<br /> <br /> will there be any meeting before biketourstart?<br /> <br /> <br /> if you want to join the wheel meeting, you need a working skype setup.<br /> that would be a computer with internet, speaker and a microphone and the<br /> programm skype [[http://www.skype.com]] installed<br /> best is to have a headset, which is earphones and a microphone in one<br /> device, they produce best quality. they are really not very expensive.<br /> but i also skyped with people using earphones as microphones or just the<br /> microphone of their laptop<br /> if you install skype on your computer, everything might just work. if it<br /> does not, dial echo123 and check it out - the skype website offers a lot<br /> of solutions to possible problems - please check it out before the<br /> meeting so that you can participate in it and we are more occupied with<br /> chatting away than with solving computer problems<br /> to join the meeting you will have to send a skype chat message to<br /> roeland - kuijperroeland - so that he can invite you to the conference call<br /> <br /> ===agenda points===<br /> space for things you want to be discussed during the next meeting,<br /> <br /> ===[[meeting minutes]]===<br /> '''MEETING ON TIMELINE BIKETOUR2008'''<br /> '''27th may 2008 10:00'''<br /> <br /> who?:Pippa just reached Sofia this morning around 3, so the meeting was npostponed until tuesday morning. We talked with Suha (who didn't have a microphone, but could write in the chat), Daka, Pipa, Radost and me. Milan couldn't be there (can you give us an update on organization of the Serbian part?).<br /> <br /> Short summary of meeting:<br /> First we looked together at the routeplan of Suha (see attachment) and as this plan seems to fit within the timeschedule of 25 days (option number one, the late start) we took a critical look on this plan and asked him questions to be sure about this possibility.<br /> <br /> Questions, answers and remarks concerning Suha's routplan for Turkey:<br /> #the road conditions? good, asfalt all the way<br /> #the amount of traffic on the coastal road? good, not to much traffic and also not in the summer season (totally different infomation as Greg's friends gave us... We surely need more information about this!!!!).<br /> #If there are possible alternative roads which could be taken if the traffic seems worse then expected? Suha told us that there are 3 possible (direct) roads from Istanbul to Sinop: the coastal road = not a mayor road, the highway (i guess the E 80) and in between another main road (I guess the D100) with lot's of lorries. The coastal road seems like best option with this information. (After the meeting me and Pippa where looking on googlemaps and there are lot's of little roads.. but they seem pretty chaotic and make a lot of turns... will take long time... also we don't know the conditions of this roads. It could be an option tough to find alternatives during the biketour for certain parts...). Also we asked about the mountainroads and if they wouldn't be a better choice (concerning traffic)? According to Suha the roads more inland are more trafficy... more lorries.. (also #this information is different then the info we have got from Gregs friends.. )<br /> #Besides of this Suha's timeplan for the route didn't incalculate a 3 days stay in Istanbul (but just 1 resting day)and there was just one other resting day planned in this route (this should be a few more).<br /> #Suha's proposal is based on aprox. distances of 50-55 km a day, it's hilly terrain (no mountains) acoording to him.<br /> <br /> So this is the information we have on the turkish part... It's little and contradictive with earlier information.. We need more information before the routeplan can be really decided<br /> Anyway all people in the meeting were convinced that we need to set a timeschedule for the biketour!<br /> <br /> '''Decision'''<br /> Based on the information we have and Suha's calculations (50-55 km a day) that this routeplan will fit in 25 days<br /> and that an alternative routeplan (with use of public transport between border of turkey and Istanbul and Istanbul and Sile and a possible longer route through mountains... could also fit in a timeschedule of 30 days (still we will cycle an average of 50-55 km a day, which will be tough, but is less then average distance in former BT's through rough terrain)<br /> we decided to find a compromis between the two options for the timeschedule.<br /> <br /> This means: 30 days for Turkey (resting days included!), but the routeplan needs further elaboration: which road will be best (based on more info on conditions/traffic)? Should we take public transport on certain parts?<br /> Ecotopia will take place from 9 to 23 july, we planned to arrive the 14th, but can always arrive a bit earlier or later...<br /> <br /> Of course the participation level will change with this decision, but 5 days earlier is already better then 10.. (a real compromise). We will try to provide good information for participants who want to take part in the tour on later stage. Best information we can give is clear dates and places some weeks before the Biketour starts (NOW!!!), so participants can start planning, arrange transport/visa/other neccesities and registrate!<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Conclusion''': Overview of timeschedule BT08<br /> start in Belgrade:16 june<br /> border Serbia-Bulgaria: 1 july<br /> Sofia: 2-4 july (1 arrival day - 1 preparation/meeting/workshop day -1 action day- + celebrate yo's birthday on 4-7 day ;)<br /> Border Bulgaria-Turkey: 5-15 july<br /> Istanbul: (depends on planning turkish route)<br /> Ecotopia: 14 august<br /> <br /> Meeting in Istanbul:<br /> Yo is planning to meet Suha on the 7th of june in Istanbul to take a closer look at the routeplan + gather more information. Besides this there will be a meeting of Ecotopia organizers on this day and probably they will go this weekend by car to Sinop to check out the place for the camp (the permissions are arranged!). I will try to convince them to take the coastal road (partly) so I can take a look here. And talk to people to get more info on the different roadoptions + conditions and check public transport options (also for way back!).</div>

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Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Route_2008&diff=1890 2009-02-07T12:44:54Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>All the dates are provisional!!! This page was last modified on 02 July 2008<br /> <br /> please contribute to this page by editing it here ({{fullurl:route}})<br /> OR by commenting at our [[mailing list]]s<br /> <br /> * There is a page with [[Map]]s and info on how to use them<br /> * This page works a sketch for the webpage content at the [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/route website] where there will be maps<br /> <br /> <br /> =START - [[Sofia, Bulgaria]] (2 July 2008)=<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Bulgaria]] (2-16 July)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Bulgaria]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Bulgaria_route08}}<br /> <br /> ==&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;[[Turkey]] (17 July - 14 August)&lt;/span&gt;==<br /> * click here ( [[Turkey]] ) for getting to a more detailed page with other informations.<br /> {{:Turkey_route08}}<br /> <br /> =END - [[Ecotopia]] in [[Sarikum]] ([http://www.ecotopiagathering.org/ website]) [14 August]=<br /> This year, the annual [[Ecotopia]] Gathering (= a meeting of activist individuals and groups, focusing on issues of environment and social justice) will take place between 9-23 August in Sarikum (Turkey), close to the city Sinop at the Black Sea coast. [[Ecotopia]]'s site will be near a location determined for the construction of a nuclear power station. Main theme of this years gathering will be energy. We will protest against the use of nuclear energy and focus on possible environmental and sustainable solutions for the energy crisis. You are invited to take part, and discuss this and other issues, support local activists and meet with groups from different parts of Europe.</div>

Bata https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=FAQ&diff=1880 2009-02-07T10:47:27Z

<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>=english=<br /> <br /> please type your questions here and get them answered<br /> or ask them at our [[mailing list]]s<br /> -biketour veterans: could you scan around our old websites and wikis, get some FAQ's and dump them here? thanks<br /> <br /> ==Basic==<br /> *What is biketour?<br /> **answer at page [[What_bt_is]]<br /> *Where and when it will happen?<br /> ** 2nd of July ([[Sofia]]) to 14th august[[Sarikum, Ecotopia]] <br /> ** The [[Route]] is probably one of the most dynamic pages in this wiki ;)<br /> *Who to contact?<br /> ** [[Contacts]] or talk with [[Yolanda]]<br /> *How much does it cost?<br /> ** answer at page [[Costs]]<br /> <br /> ==other==<br /> *question<br /> **answer<br /> <br /> ==Bikes==<br /> contribution by [[Tiho]] and [[Ivan Gregov]]<br /> *do I need to bring my bike?<br /> **Well if you want to avoid all the things about preparations in hurry, you should. Otherwise the best is if you can contact someone before in the place where you will join Biketour and ask if is possible to find you something. There was a people who bought cheap bikes and later group were always looking back for them.<br /> <br /> *how do I transport my bike across europe?<br /> **Sometimes it can be hassle with bike to travel on starting point of Biketour, but it worth to do. Trains, buses, ferries, planes all over the world can accept a bike as a baggage, what you have to do is to pack and protect you bike and other things from damaging. You should pay for it like for two large baggage. Sometimes you will have to dismantle your bike, front or both wheels, just to be easier to put in the baggage area. Also, packing your bike in a cartboarx box (there are special large bike bags available too!) is good advice to avoid the problems!<br /> <br /> *What kind of bike do I need?<br /> **The one that you already have. Any kind would do (judging from previous years of Biketour), but with some bikes it will be easier. In ideal case, the most recommended would be bikes invented for traveling: trekking and touring bikes. If you have mountain bike, don't forget to put ROAD TIRES. If you have road (racing) bike, don't forget to put rough tires. This will make your life much easier.<br /> **The one that you already have, from economic side it will the best. Any kind would do (judging from previous years of Biketour), but with some bikes it will be much easier. In ideal case, the most recommended would be bikes invented for traveling: trekking and touring bikes (usually they have 28 inches wheels and thinner tires, but some of the bikes called “hybrid bikes” have 26 inches wheels like mountain bikes but with race kind of frame, more gears, suspensions etc).<br /> **If you have mountain bike, don't forget to put ROAD TIRES, the best are semi-slick tires which you can use as for road also for some easy dirt roads (because sometimes we use roads that don’t have so much traffic, like dirt roads). That makes Biketour much nicer and healthier.<br /> **If you have road (racing) bike, don't forget to put rough tires, as thick as possible. This will make your ride and life much easier.<br /> **No matter which kind of bike you used, you have to know that, if you want to travel without so much stress, best it will be if you to:<br /> ***Try to find frame (bike) size that is right size for you (it will be long ride and you have to feel you bike as one part of your body). Sometimes if bike doesn’t fit you, you can expect muscle pain in different areas. Try to ask some more information in your closest bike store. Regarding frame materials of your bike, usually bikes for traveling are made from steel, alloy or titanium (carbon fiber, other combination). Steel (Cr-Mo compound) is the best one for riding on this kind of trips, but it is heaviest one and it is cheapest one. For now the best solution according to the people who like traveling by bike is alloy (7001 type) frame bikes. They are enough stiff and they are lighter for traveling and they are little bit more expensive. The last one material for frames is Titanium, far stiffer, lighter, but very, very expensive (if you have one of those you are lucky and bring one good lock for it).<br /> ***Try to find bike with 36 (or more) spokes wheels if it is possible, made from stainless steel spokes (stronger ones) and double frame wheels (they are more stiffer and durable), or if you don’t have that kind of wheels, you could bring, for example, for every hundred km one spoke for your rear wheel (measured by professionals) plus tools for repairing. So if it is trip long 3000km you have to bring 30 spare spokes (1kg more to carry) plus tools for repairing (1kg more). So it’s up to you.<br /> ***How many gears? Well far now we notice that people traveled sometimes with just one gear, but if you want to have less painful traveling, you should have at least 18 gears that function. Because sometimes you can expect ascending up to 15% (like it was in Bosnia, Romania…). <br /> ***Rack and panniers? Well there are a lot of different kinds of both things. Rack just should be stiff and without ruptures that can hold all things that you should bring with you. If you have front ones is the same situation. Sometimes people made racks from steel for buildings and they carried backpacks on it, and it worked. But it is not so safely for riding with that. Panniers could be normal and waterproof. If you have normal panniers you should keep your things dry with lot of plastic bags or you will bagging other people for some spare close (if you are lucky that they are same size as you are). Waterproof panniers are the best solution but also the most expensive ones. Sometimes you can find on sale some cheap one.<br /> ***Suggestion: please, but please check all the things on your bike before you want to go on some trip like this. Frame, brakes, gears, spokes…everything.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> *What kind of a bike I DON'T need?<br /> **One that is already broken. New, super cheap from a supermarket (so-called Chinese ones, people from China no offense). Super expensive top-of-the-class bikes. Extremely heavy weight bike. Full suspension downhill bike. Avoid to bring borrowed bike you haven't tried before (or better - if you will borrow the bike, try it before Biketour, mostly to avoid problems with the size of the bike). Remember that you should feel comfortable on your bike, because you will be cycling several hours a day.<br /> <br /> <br /> *What material do I need for my bike?<br /> **Well first of all you should bring some of the spare parts for your bike. You have to know the weakness of your bike so you can bring important things for it. Firs of all it is: inner tubes and repair kit, one tire (if it is possible), brake shoes, oil for chain, spokes, pump, basic tool for your bike. Other things are highly recommended: lock for bike, helmet for you, rain protection for both, lights (front and rear), sunglasses, hat and water bottles.<br /> <br /> *Is there anyone taking care of my bike and reparing my flat tyres?<br /> **Well, there is always somebody that knows more about bike repairing but as we are the group that it is not always in one large group but divided in several small groups and maybe this person would not be in your group. What you should do is to bring your own tools and to ask somebody to show you how to solve some problems that you will have. That how you will learn more about your best friend.<br /> <br /> *I heard that you carry everything by bike, how can I do it?<br /> **All you need are RACK and PANNIERS (bike bags) attached to a bike. Two separate panniers are much better that just one big (it is easier to take them off, and we need to do it every day). Second thing is: don't take too much personal stuff. Try to put everything into panniers and check the weight: it shouldn't go over 15kg for 2 panniers together.<br /> <br /> *And that you have &quot;trailers&quot;. What's that? and will I be able to carry them?<br /> **Well on trailers we are putting all things that Biketour family need. Food, dishes, flyers, music and other equipment, load up to 35kg. We have now 3 or 4 of those for carrying our equipment and one for carrying children. Everybody who have strong will and strong legs could do that, just if his bike is compatible (on most of the new bikes is possible to mount these trailers).<br /> <br /> *What should I avoid bringing (bike stuff)?<br /> **Too big and too heavy set of tools, or tools which you can't really use with your bike. Don't take super-strong and heavy locks, moderate locks are just fine.<br /> <br /> *what advices would you give me for a safe, easy, cycling during biketour?<br /> **Well as you carry all things by yourself you should count twice what to bring. Not so much clothes but to have everything. Avoid bringing with you: anger, hatefulness, jealousness, xenophobia, grill, meat, guns, bombs, radioactive materials…<br /> <br /> *What advices would you give me for a safe, easy, cycling during Biketour?<br /> **Well many things it is up to you, but some tips could not be lion on the path:<br /> **It will be wise if could do your health checking before you are coming to the Biketour, just you to be shore that you will endure all trip by bike. Maybe talk with your doctor about what you will do this summer. You can bring with you some basic medicine, sun protection and hat.<br /> **Bring first aid with you.<br /> **Prepare you bike as much as possible (if you can try it even with full panniers to cycle) and cycle few times before start of Biketour, that how you will avoid pain in the muscles in first days.<br /> **Bring your helmet and wear it almost always<br /> **Bring front and back lights.<br /> **Cycle with the people who cycle same pace as you, or who are more experienced.<br /> **Cycle not on the end of the road but one meter from the end line, that how drivers will notice you before and you will always have more tome and space to run from those who didn’t notice you.<br /> **Learn and use bike signs.<br /> **Bring bike bell or horn, you will need it for many things.<br /> **If you really want to bring alcohol, only use it when you feel cold, but before don't forget that you have to eat a little bit.<br /> **Always have some sweets with you and some worm clothes, you never know where you will astray.<br /> **Bring some instrument and make music all the time and sing.<br /> **Bring one sun for you and people from Biketour and ask wind if he can blow in the back for some time.<br /> **Bring tend with you for two people so you can share with someone and you can make friendships or love or both.<br /> **Bring good mood, smile, song, friend and national recipes for food and drink.<br /> <br /> =espanol=<br /> =portugues=</div>

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<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div> This is about the new domain [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net ecotopiabiketour.net]<br /> =english=<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Information==<br /> After losing control to our domain [[http://btwiki.ecobytes.net/Website#domain-name_decision thebiketour.net]] , and without much doubts about if the website could be out again during the tour, it was urgent to find a solution.<br /> In the beginning of April [[Joao]] bought the new domain and set up some services under it.<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Google Apps===<br /> It's a [https://www.google.com/a/ google apps] pack that will make easier the hosting and managing of [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/Mail/index.html email] and [http://www.google.com/support/talk/ chat], [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/Calendar/index.html calendaring], [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/DocsSpreadsheets/index.html shared documents], a [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/WebPages/index.html basic webpage designer] and a portal or let's say a [http://services.google.com/apps/resources/overviews_breeze/StartPage/index.html startpage].<br /> <br /> *e-mail at http://mail.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **You can have a NAME@ecotopiabiketour.net address with 2gb, and with the option of forwarding to your main account<br /> <br /> *calendar at http://calendar.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **we can collaborate in a single calendar for BT<br /> <br /> *Documents http://docs.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **it's possible to edit simultaneous texts and spreadsheets, with versions like wiki, and host them online<br /> <br /> *Webpages http://pages.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **people can help with basic design of webpages<br /> <br /> *Start page at http://start.ecotopiabiketour.net/<br /> **we you can see some feeds, as if it would be a a portal for the rest of services<br /> <br /> ==Create account==<br /> *there will be a form for that<br /> *for now you can ask [[Joao]]</div>

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<p>Bata: </p> <hr /> <div>==english==<br /> <br /> *You can start by learning on [[How_to_edit_Wiki]] for knowing basics about wiki formatting<br /> *You can have the help of online tools for checking your vocabulary doubts<br /> ** [http://www.google.pt/language_tools?hl=en google] or [http://www.answers.com answers]<br /> <br /> *The idea is to create only one page for each topic, and then dividing it according to languages with the &quot;=&quot; around<br /> ** then to link you just need to use &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; and result is: [[original#language|translated]]<br /> *** You should replace &quot;original&quot; by the page name (english), &quot;language&quot; by the idiom in which you are translating, and &quot;translated&quot; with the foreigner word<br /> **** Careful with the capitalization! It's better to put the language name without capital at the beginning<br /> *** It's better to create new page with names in english and then translate them in the &quot;complex&quot; links as shown above<br /> *** the names of languages should be with special characters (and no capitals) to avoid problems with links<br /> <br /> * When starting a new page, you can copy this &quot;standard&quot; code:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;[[original#language|translated]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> ==english==<br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==<br /> <br /> <br /> ==espanol==<br /> ==portugues==</div>

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