https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=George 2026-04-25T07:16:34Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Biketour_2015&diff=66178 2014-11-19T05:23:21Z

<p>George: /* Suggestions for projects to visit next year */</p> <hr /> <div>= Organising Biketour 2015 =<br /> <br /> == '''Autumn/Winter meeting''' ==<br /> <br /> To help make a decision on where the Autumn meeting will be held, please add your suggestions...<br /> <br /> Here is a map with the possible locations: https://pad.facilmap.org/P72YiREasMo2<br /> <br /> #'''City'''<br /> #'''Why hold it here?'''<br /> #'''Drawbacks'''<br /> #'''Who to contact'''<br /> <br /> *Lituana <br /> #Vilnius<br /> #Venue used before by BT<br /> #May have to pay for venue<br /> #Vita (coord 2008)<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Poland: <br /> #Warsaw<br /> #BT contact based there<br /> #Not thinking to go through Poland in BT <br /> #Olek<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> #Poznan <br /> #Feminist Social Centre <br /> #:Central location, cheap buses<br /> #As above<br /> #Christabel<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Sweden<br /> #Malmo<br /> #Radical Theatre could be used as venue <br /> #Expensive to get to<br /> #Zinzi<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> #Gothenburg<br /> #BT participant based there. Female only-anarcho-feminist Sambaband <br /> #Not accessible especially to those in South<br /> #Kaise<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Slovakia<br /> #Bratislava<br /> #Contact from BT 2014 based there<br /> #:More accessible to South/East participants <br /> #Not a location for BT 2015 <br /> #Michal<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Denmark<br /> #Copenhagen<br /> #Large Social Centre just outside and small residential collective inside. Lots going on. <br /> #Not such an eay location to get to from except Germany/UK - the dominant BT countries! <br /> #Megan/Tilly<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> *Finland<br /> #Helsinki<br /> #Sambaband. Strong anti-mining movement. Anarchist bookshop/infoshop<br /> #It's a really awkward/expensive to get there. <br /> #<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> <br /> == '''New way of organising''' ==<br /> <br /> In brief, we would suggest that the organising to be DECENTRALISED, made<br /> more HORIZONTAL and be more true to the VALUES and COLLECTIVE<br /> organisation aspired to on the Biketour itself.<br /> <br /> *Open and horizontal group<br /> **anyone can join (past organisers or<br /> **:participants, local and regional contacts etc.). In the best case at<br /> **:least 7 people would work together remotely from different locations.<br /> <br /> *The organisation process would start as soon as this year's Biketour<br /> *:ends so as not to lose momentum and so that there is a longer period of<br /> *:time to sort out the tour.<br /> <br /> *A start up group of a few people who know now that they wish to be<br /> *:part of an organising group would advertise for more people to join the<br /> *:group via the BT email lists and in the countries of the BT 2015 (with<br /> *:flyers etc). The Autumn meeting will be an opportunity for the group to<br /> *:meet and discuss how to go from there. We would propose that to make<br /> *:this organisational structure possible, the region will have to be<br /> *:decided soon, as well as a date for the Autumn meeting, in order to<br /> *:invite people from the region to the meeting and start with the<br /> *:collectivisation and decentralising of the organisation. We propose the<br /> *:long weekend from the 28th of November to the 1st of December. After the<br /> *:Autumn meeting, the preparation of the Biketour would start.<br /> <br /> *The work should be split into as small as possible tasks and managed<br /> *:in a tasklist, to make it as easy as possible to take on responsibility.<br /> *:The online organising could be simplified to one platform (potentially<br /> *:Krankenstein).<br /> <br /> *Possibly, there could be a rotating system of people responsible for<br /> *:overseeing that there are no gaps in organising and for making roles<br /> *:clear. This is something that the organisation group would decide.<br /> <br /> *The group would communicate regularly online. Due to difficulties with<br /> *:the email server this year, the server will have be reviewed.<br /> <br /> * Visits could be made to projects/regions <br /> **funding for this and other<br /> **:expenses would be deciding as and when the money is needed, but no EVS<br /> **:money would be taken this year.<br /> <br /> == '''Region''' == <br /> <br /> The suggestion has been made to go to Scandinavia and/or the Baltic states on next year's biketour. Maldova, the Ukraine and Belarus were also suggested as possibilities. If you have any ideas of projects to visit on in these regions, please add them below.<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;Insert non-formatted text here&lt;/nowiki&gt;=== Suggestions for projects to visit next year ===<br /> <br /> Copenhagen - a small residential collective with bike workshop inside the city (Bethlehem collective) and a large cultural and environmental collective outside of the city (Makvarket)<br /> finland eco villages and<br /> artist place are<br /> enthousiastic about<br /> our project and willing to help us.<br /> <br /> if ferry prices affects route choice<br /> we might be able to find <br /> local help in the form <br /> of a van and trailor <br /> to bord the ferry and<br /> decrease the cost of <br /> individual bike transport<br /> or/and participants could<br /> collect <br /> old broken umbrellas material<br /> and make <br /> a light compact bicycle bag <br /> taking the wheels off, <br /> and then carry it <br /> over the shoulder <br /> as a free luggage <br /> rather than a paying bicycle<br /> (this is the technique I use)<br /> <br /> == '''Theme''' ==<br /> <br /> To be discussed!<br /> <br /> == '''Feedback from 2014''' ==<br /> <br /> Here are the notes taken from the feedback session. Comic coming soon!<br /> <br /> === Notes taken during the feedback session in Athens on 29 September 2014 ===<br /> <br /> please contribute your points according to topic or open a new one if you think it is missing<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 1.jpeg|200px|thumb|left|Agenda]]<br /> <br /> We discussed the following topics in small groups<br /> <br /> *Cycling<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 2.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 3.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Tasks<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 4.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 5.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 2.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Group Dynamics<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 6.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 7.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics continued]]<br /> <br /> *Projects<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 8.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Projects]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 9.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Projects continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 3.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics/projects Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Miscellaneous<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 10.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Everything else]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 4.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Misc Summary]]</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Biketour_2015&diff=66177 2014-11-19T05:11:23Z

<p>George: /* Suggestions for projects to visit next year */</p> <hr /> <div>= Organising Biketour 2015 =<br /> <br /> == '''Autumn/Winter meeting''' ==<br /> <br /> To help make a decision on where the Autumn meeting will be held, please add your suggestions...<br /> <br /> Here is a map with the possible locations: https://pad.facilmap.org/P72YiREasMo2<br /> <br /> #'''City'''<br /> #'''Why hold it here?'''<br /> #'''Drawbacks'''<br /> #'''Who to contact'''<br /> <br /> *Lituana <br /> #Vilnius<br /> #Venue used before by BT<br /> #May have to pay for venue<br /> #Vita (coord 2008)<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Poland: <br /> #Warsaw<br /> #BT contact based there<br /> #Not thinking to go through Poland in BT <br /> #Olek<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> #Poznan <br /> #Feminist Social Centre <br /> #:Central location, cheap buses<br /> #As above<br /> #Christabel<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Sweden<br /> #Malmo<br /> #Radical Theatre could be used as venue <br /> #Expensive to get to<br /> #Zinzi<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> #Gothenburg<br /> #BT participant based there. Female only-anarcho-feminist Sambaband <br /> #Not accessible especially to those in South<br /> #Kaise<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Slovakia<br /> #Bratislava<br /> #Contact from BT 2014 based there<br /> #:More accessible to South/East participants <br /> #Not a location for BT 2015 <br /> #Michal<br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> *Denmark<br /> #Copenhagen<br /> #Large Social Centre just outside and small residential collective inside. Lots going on. <br /> #Not such an eay location to get to from except Germany/UK - the dominant BT countries! <br /> #Megan/Tilly<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> *Finland<br /> #Helsinki<br /> #Sambaband. Strong anti-mining movement. Anarchist bookshop/infoshop<br /> #It's a really awkward/expensive to get there. <br /> #<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> <br /> == '''New way of organising''' ==<br /> <br /> In brief, we would suggest that the organising to be DECENTRALISED, made<br /> more HORIZONTAL and be more true to the VALUES and COLLECTIVE<br /> organisation aspired to on the Biketour itself.<br /> <br /> *Open and horizontal group<br /> **anyone can join (past organisers or<br /> **:participants, local and regional contacts etc.). In the best case at<br /> **:least 7 people would work together remotely from different locations.<br /> <br /> *The organisation process would start as soon as this year's Biketour<br /> *:ends so as not to lose momentum and so that there is a longer period of<br /> *:time to sort out the tour.<br /> <br /> *A start up group of a few people who know now that they wish to be<br /> *:part of an organising group would advertise for more people to join the<br /> *:group via the BT email lists and in the countries of the BT 2015 (with<br /> *:flyers etc). The Autumn meeting will be an opportunity for the group to<br /> *:meet and discuss how to go from there. We would propose that to make<br /> *:this organisational structure possible, the region will have to be<br /> *:decided soon, as well as a date for the Autumn meeting, in order to<br /> *:invite people from the region to the meeting and start with the<br /> *:collectivisation and decentralising of the organisation. We propose the<br /> *:long weekend from the 28th of November to the 1st of December. After the<br /> *:Autumn meeting, the preparation of the Biketour would start.<br /> <br /> *The work should be split into as small as possible tasks and managed<br /> *:in a tasklist, to make it as easy as possible to take on responsibility.<br /> *:The online organising could be simplified to one platform (potentially<br /> *:Krankenstein).<br /> <br /> *Possibly, there could be a rotating system of people responsible for<br /> *:overseeing that there are no gaps in organising and for making roles<br /> *:clear. This is something that the organisation group would decide.<br /> <br /> *The group would communicate regularly online. Due to difficulties with<br /> *:the email server this year, the server will have be reviewed.<br /> <br /> * Visits could be made to projects/regions <br /> **funding for this and other<br /> **:expenses would be deciding as and when the money is needed, but no EVS<br /> **:money would be taken this year.<br /> <br /> == '''Region''' == <br /> <br /> The suggestion has been made to go to Scandinavia and/or the Baltic states on next year's biketour. Maldova, the Ukraine and Belarus were also suggested as possibilities. If you have any ideas of projects to visit on in these regions, please add them below.<br /> <br /> === Suggestions for projects to visit next year ===<br /> <br /> Copenhagen - a small residential collective with bike workshop inside the city (Bethlehem collective) and a large cultural and environmental collective outside of the city (Makvarket)<br /> finland eco village and artist place are enthousiastic about our project and willing to help us.<br /> <br /> if ferry prices affects route choice<br /> not sure where to put this but I checked ferry prices inthe baltic ,,?? we might be able to find local help in the form of a van and trailor to bord the ferry and decrease the cost of individual bike transport/<br /> or participants could collect old broken umbrellas material and make a light compact bicycle bag taking the wheels off, and then carry it over the shoulder as a free luggage rather than a paying bicycle(this is the technique I use)<br /> <br /> == '''Theme''' ==<br /> <br /> To be discussed!<br /> <br /> == '''Feedback from 2014''' ==<br /> <br /> Here are the notes taken from the feedback session. Comic coming soon!<br /> <br /> === Notes taken during the feedback session in Athens on 29 September 2014 ===<br /> <br /> please contribute your points according to topic or open a new one if you think it is missing<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 1.jpeg|200px|thumb|left|Agenda]]<br /> <br /> We discussed the following topics in small groups<br /> <br /> *Cycling<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 2.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 3.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 1.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cycling Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Tasks<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 4.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 5.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 2.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Tasks Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Group Dynamics<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 6.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 7.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics continued]]<br /> <br /> *Projects<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 8.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Projects]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 9.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Projects continued]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 3.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Group dynamics/projects Summary]]<br /> <br /> *Miscellaneous<br /> <br /> [[File:Feedback Sheet 10.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Everything else]]<br /> [[File:Feedback Summary 4.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Misc Summary]]</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Countries&diff=66143 2014-09-29T08:08:03Z

<p>George: </p> <hr /> <div>This is a list of countries in Europe and when the Biketour has been there. If you have a better proposal in what regions to split Europe other than countries, feel free to do so. A map of previous tours will be created soon.<br /> <br /> &lt;pre&gt;<br /> Albania: 2009<br /> Austria: 1990, 1999, 2004, 2013<br /> Azerbaijan: never<br /> Belarus: never<br /> Belgium: 1993, 2010<br /> Bosnia and Herzegovina: 2005, 2009, 2013<br /> Bulgaria: 1992, 2001, 2008, 2014<br /> Croatia: 1999, 2009, 2013<br /> Cyprus: never<br /> Czech Republic: 1992, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2013<br /> Denmark: 1990, 1991<br /> England: 2002, 2010<br /> Estonia: 1991, 2000<br /> Finland: 1991, 2000<br /> faroe islands never<br /> France: 1993, 2010, 2012<br /> Georgia: never<br /> Germany: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2010, 2013<br /> Greece: 2014<br /> Hungary: 1990, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1999, 2013<br /> Iceland: never<br /> Ireland: 2002<br /> Italy: 2011, 2012<br /> Kazakhstan: never<br /> Kosovo: 2014<br /> Latvia: 2000<br /> Lithuania: 2000, 2006<br /> Luxembourg: never<br /> Macedonia: 2001, 2009, 2014<br /> Moldova: 2005<br /> Montenegro: 2009<br /> Netherlands: 1991, 1993, 1999, 2004, 2010<br /> Northern Ireland: never<br /> Norway: 1990<br /> Poland: 1995, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006<br /> Portugal: 2007<br /> Romania: 1992, 1994, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2013<br /> Russia: 1991<br /> Scotland: never<br /> Serbia: 2001, 2005, 2013, 2014<br /> Slovakia: 1990, 1992, 1995, 1996, 2006<br /> Slovenia: 1999, 2013<br /> Spain: 2007, 2012<br /> Sweden: 1990, 1991<br /> Switzerland: never<br /> Turkey: 2008<br /> Ukraine: 2003<br /> Wales: 2002, 2010<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_travel_groups&diff=66107 2014-07-05T09:13:03Z

<p>George: </p> <hr /> <div>This page should help people to find each other to travel together to and from the Biketour. Just add yourself to the list and contact other people from the list if you like.<br /> <br /> {|class=&quot;wikitable&quot;<br /> <br /> !Name(s)catherine<br /> !Contact secaordr@riseup.net<br /> !Joining the Biketour when/where? thessaloniki 25 of august/or4 september<br /> !Travelling from where? uk<br /> !Traveling there how? train bus hitchhiking cycling<br /> !Leaving the Biketour when/where? the end athens<br /> !Travelling to where? uk or anywhereelse BURMA for example<br /> !Traveling there how? cycling bus trains hitchhiking<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |Candid<br /> |mailto:cdauth@cdauth.eu<br /> |Sofia<br /> |Berlin<br /> |By trains and buses, probably passing through Prague, Budapest, Belgrade. Leaving 10th or 11th of July.<br /> |Athens, at the end<br /> |Berlin<br /> |Cycling back, taking around 3 weeks.<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |Olek<br /> |mailto:olek@zm.org.pl<br /> |Zhelen<br /> |Warszawa / Budapest<br /> |By trains / buses. I will be in Budapest during the weekend and I plan to take the night train from Budapest to Belgrade on July 13/14th.<br /> |Prishtina (probably)<br /> |Warszawa<br /> |Cycling/trains/buses<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> <br /> |}</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Biketour_2014&diff=66067 2014-06-26T09:31:05Z

<p>George: /* Route and Maps */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> '''!!!DATA REMINDER!!!<br /> ''This Wiki is a public space on the net. Be sensitive and responsible with the data you provide here. Think twice whether you, someone else or even groups/projects might have a problem (later) with information being posted here. Keep in mind that openness about information is a different thing from person to person and place to place and that unconscious handling of information can lead to problems later.''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Get involved! ==<br /> See the website's Get Involved Page [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=49] for common things to help with. If you pick one or come up with something new: Down here is space to organise or share your work with others!<br /> <br /> <br /> === Creative Work ===<br /> * logo and graphics - check and keep [[BT_2014_advertising_material]] up to date <br /> * [[booklet|2014 Booklet]]<br /> * ...?<br /> <br /> === Translation ===<br /> <br /> We are always looking for translators - if you speak the local language of any of the places we will be passing through - please get in touch:<br /> info[at]ecotopiabiketour.net or see the [[2014 Text that needs translating]] page.<br /> <br /> === Route and Maps ===<br /> <br /> for collectively looking at our possible routes everyday please contribute to the [[2014 Route]] page.<br /> using facil map and the each section prepared <br /> profiles could be printed to be aware of any big climb <br /> and plan the day accordingly:sometimes there is a big 700 m climb at the end of the day.<br /> <br /> == Ideas ==<br /> <br /> === Route possibilites from spring meeting 2014 ===<br /> <br /> At the spring meeting in Thessaloniki in March 2014 we came to the following outlines of possible routes for 2014, based on the knowledge and/or contacts of a few projects we had. We aimed for about 1500 km in the outlines, which will surely become longer anyway once we fix more exact routes.<br /> There are two possible starting points: either on the western Balkan coast in Montenegro/Crna Gora close to Albania or in Sofija. There are also two possible final destinations, those being the two major big cities: either Athens or Istanbul. This makes up for 4, actually 5 of the following graphs, one of them trying to be both in Montenegro and Sofija, thus also a bit longer. The 6th option is a round trip from Thessaloniki through the northern neighbouring countries and back.<br /> All of those are preliminary, based on only few contacts, so anyone who could contribute any arguments as to why we should or should not go to a certain area/choose a certain route please post a comment here below the links.<br /> <br /> <br /> {|<br /> |+ ''Route options''<br /> |-<br /> | A || [[File:Sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | B || [[File:Podgorica-shkodra-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | C || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | D || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-sofija-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | E || [[File:Thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-svilengrad-sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki1.png|400px]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''We have decided to arrange a route starting in Sofia/Skopje/Nis or Prishtina going to Athens (so something between C and D without the Montenegro/Albania part), that is where we found many projects and have the most contacts'''<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== I really like the idea of going to ... ====<br /> <br /> * from Montenegro via Macedonia Albania bulgria Kosovo to Istanbul for a diversity of culture and history approach to crisis<br /> * Athens, since I found a lot of contacts there and on the way in the past few days. People in Greece say Istanbul is more active at the moment (on a distant judgement) but the biketour has been there in 2008 and never to any of the many places in the centre of Greece that have been established recently as people want to show that alternative living is possible, partly as a response to the crisis (sml)<br /> * ...<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> ==== We should avoid ... ====<br /> * ... (that's me)<br /> * ...Flatire, broknspoke, Downhilbendfall,<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> ==== I prefer this option because ... ====<br /> * Personally, I prefer not to make a bucle-close (circle) Tour... for envolving more regions. (kbra)<br /> * personally.a combination of a few proposed routes<br /> * on last year experience not many participants after 15th of august. lets do the most in the south Balkans. universities stop In june and end of august many need to head home..so why not a mid June start??<br /> - could have been something to think about but with the state of the coordination just getting started we won't manage this. it is going to be rather a later start mid/end of July. which on the other hand has the advantage of September being cooler in the hot Southern Balkans and the heavy holiday season along the coast in Greece finishing, so also less traffic on the roads (sml)<br /> * again on last year experience places with no project planned ..lead to more exchange with local ie BrCKO and within the group<br /> - the late start might also lead to a spread of the number of participants less worrying for welcoming projects.<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== whatever else ====<br /> <br /> * It would be good to start in a city or town where there is a bike workshop because people coming from far away would have to build their bike before departing. (don't want to hitchhike with a bike across Europe). <br /> * If you are interested in southern Balkans traditional music, you can visit this website : [http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pays http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pays] (sorry it's in French). There you will find a lot of sheet music and videos. Music could possibly help us to communicate with local people. --[[User:Claire|Claire]] ([[User talk:Claire|talk]]) 14:43, 2 June 2014 (CEST)<br /> <br /> * ...<br /> any more comments and opinions welcome<br /> <br /> //<br /> <br /> === Route / Region / Theme Ideas ===<br /> <br /> The route and theme of this year's tour is not yet decided but we are looking to visit projects, join up with grassroots campaigns, NGOs and social movements and communities relevant to structural (economic/political) or personal (e.g. poverty as a result of austerity) crises and how people are finding creative solutions to coping with its effects or fighting against it. We will also revisit themes that we have seen in previous biketours such as 'degrowth', public debt, austerity, economic refugees, minorities and solidarity.<br /> <br /> What we do know is that we will be organising the tour from Thessaloniki in Northern Greece from March and will begin cycling in July, or possibly the beginning of August. Where we head to will depend on projects and opportunities we find to visit - and this all depends on the ideas that come from everyone....<br /> <br /> If you can think of any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way, then put them on the list below or email team-2014@ecotopiabiketour.net (or both!). If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> === Theme Ideas ====<br /> * Crisis and Creative Solution Approaches<br /> <br /> === Project Visit Ideas ===<br /> We will not display names of projects/organisations on the Wiki until we have had confirmation from them that this is ok. So, in these planning stages, can you recommend any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way? If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please do ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> Please send any info/ideas to '''team-2014 [[a]] ecotopiabiketour.net'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Spring meeting 2014 ==<br /> <br /> Dear ecotopians,<br /> <br /> we just finished our autumn meeting this year to discuss how we will organise ecotopia biketour 2014 - any contributions are welcome - and one of the points agreed there was that we will find a date and time for the SPRING MEETING as kick-off on next year's tour early enough so people can plan to be a part of it.<br /> The spring meeting will focus on the topic of the biketour, how we want bt days to be structured e.g. how long do we want to stay at projects and how far do we want to go, and of course route options.<br /> <br /> === Where &amp; When? ===<br /> <br /> We have now set a date and place for the SPRING MEETING:<br /> <br /> Thessaloniki, Greece - where the tour will be co-ordinated from.<br /> 13-16th March<br /> <br /> Concrete ideas in WHICH SPACE in a city it could take place are still being discussed. We have a potential venue, but if you do know of anywhere which could host meetings or people, write your suggestions here....<br /> <br /> <br /> There will be places to stay for the Spring Meeting. The idea is to stay for as long as you can/want, not to feel like you have to come for all four days. Also we hope to find space so that people can stay on after to help with co-ordination if they'd like to. What accommdation there will be for biketour coordinators will become clearer in the beginning of March.</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Biketour_2014&diff=66066 2014-06-26T09:30:34Z

<p>George: /* Route and Maps */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> '''!!!DATA REMINDER!!!<br /> ''This Wiki is a public space on the net. Be sensitive and responsible with the data you provide here. Think twice whether you, someone else or even groups/projects might have a problem (later) with information being posted here. Keep in mind that openness about information is a different thing from person to person and place to place and that unconscious handling of information can lead to problems later.''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Get involved! ==<br /> See the website's Get Involved Page [http://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=49] for common things to help with. If you pick one or come up with something new: Down here is space to organise or share your work with others!<br /> <br /> <br /> === Creative Work ===<br /> * logo and graphics - check and keep [[BT_2014_advertising_material]] up to date <br /> * [[booklet|2014 Booklet]]<br /> * ...?<br /> <br /> === Translation ===<br /> <br /> We are always looking for translators - if you speak the local language of any of the places we will be passing through - please get in touch:<br /> info[at]ecotopiabiketour.net or see the [[2014 Text that needs translating]] page.<br /> <br /> === Route and Maps ===<br /> <br /> for collectively looking at our possible routes everyday please contribute to the [[2014 Route]] page.<br /> using facil map and the each section prepared <br /> profiles could be printed to be aware of any big climk <br /> and plan the day accordingly:sometimes there is a big 700 m climb at the end of the day.<br /> <br /> == Ideas ==<br /> <br /> === Route possibilites from spring meeting 2014 ===<br /> <br /> At the spring meeting in Thessaloniki in March 2014 we came to the following outlines of possible routes for 2014, based on the knowledge and/or contacts of a few projects we had. We aimed for about 1500 km in the outlines, which will surely become longer anyway once we fix more exact routes.<br /> There are two possible starting points: either on the western Balkan coast in Montenegro/Crna Gora close to Albania or in Sofija. There are also two possible final destinations, those being the two major big cities: either Athens or Istanbul. This makes up for 4, actually 5 of the following graphs, one of them trying to be both in Montenegro and Sofija, thus also a bit longer. The 6th option is a round trip from Thessaloniki through the northern neighbouring countries and back.<br /> All of those are preliminary, based on only few contacts, so anyone who could contribute any arguments as to why we should or should not go to a certain area/choose a certain route please post a comment here below the links.<br /> <br /> <br /> {|<br /> |+ ''Route options''<br /> |-<br /> | A || [[File:Sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | B || [[File:Podgorica-shkodra-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | C || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | D || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-sofija-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | E || [[File:Thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-svilengrad-sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki1.png|400px]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''We have decided to arrange a route starting in Sofia/Skopje/Nis or Prishtina going to Athens (so something between C and D without the Montenegro/Albania part), that is where we found many projects and have the most contacts'''<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== I really like the idea of going to ... ====<br /> <br /> * from Montenegro via Macedonia Albania bulgria Kosovo to Istanbul for a diversity of culture and history approach to crisis<br /> * Athens, since I found a lot of contacts there and on the way in the past few days. People in Greece say Istanbul is more active at the moment (on a distant judgement) but the biketour has been there in 2008 and never to any of the many places in the centre of Greece that have been established recently as people want to show that alternative living is possible, partly as a response to the crisis (sml)<br /> * ...<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> ==== We should avoid ... ====<br /> * ... (that's me)<br /> * ...Flatire, broknspoke, Downhilbendfall,<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> ==== I prefer this option because ... ====<br /> * Personally, I prefer not to make a bucle-close (circle) Tour... for envolving more regions. (kbra)<br /> * personally.a combination of a few proposed routes<br /> * on last year experience not many participants after 15th of august. lets do the most in the south Balkans. universities stop In june and end of august many need to head home..so why not a mid June start??<br /> - could have been something to think about but with the state of the coordination just getting started we won't manage this. it is going to be rather a later start mid/end of July. which on the other hand has the advantage of September being cooler in the hot Southern Balkans and the heavy holiday season along the coast in Greece finishing, so also less traffic on the roads (sml)<br /> * again on last year experience places with no project planned ..lead to more exchange with local ie BrCKO and within the group<br /> - the late start might also lead to a spread of the number of participants less worrying for welcoming projects.<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== whatever else ====<br /> <br /> * It would be good to start in a city or town where there is a bike workshop because people coming from far away would have to build their bike before departing. (don't want to hitchhike with a bike across Europe). <br /> * If you are interested in southern Balkans traditional music, you can visit this website : [http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pays http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pays] (sorry it's in French). There you will find a lot of sheet music and videos. Music could possibly help us to communicate with local people. --[[User:Claire|Claire]] ([[User talk:Claire|talk]]) 14:43, 2 June 2014 (CEST)<br /> <br /> * ...<br /> any more comments and opinions welcome<br /> <br /> //<br /> <br /> === Route / Region / Theme Ideas ===<br /> <br /> The route and theme of this year's tour is not yet decided but we are looking to visit projects, join up with grassroots campaigns, NGOs and social movements and communities relevant to structural (economic/political) or personal (e.g. poverty as a result of austerity) crises and how people are finding creative solutions to coping with its effects or fighting against it. We will also revisit themes that we have seen in previous biketours such as 'degrowth', public debt, austerity, economic refugees, minorities and solidarity.<br /> <br /> What we do know is that we will be organising the tour from Thessaloniki in Northern Greece from March and will begin cycling in July, or possibly the beginning of August. Where we head to will depend on projects and opportunities we find to visit - and this all depends on the ideas that come from everyone....<br /> <br /> If you can think of any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way, then put them on the list below or email team-2014@ecotopiabiketour.net (or both!). If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> === Theme Ideas ====<br /> * Crisis and Creative Solution Approaches<br /> <br /> === Project Visit Ideas ===<br /> We will not display names of projects/organisations on the Wiki until we have had confirmation from them that this is ok. So, in these planning stages, can you recommend any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way? If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please do ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> Please send any info/ideas to '''team-2014 [[a]] ecotopiabiketour.net'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Spring meeting 2014 ==<br /> <br /> Dear ecotopians,<br /> <br /> we just finished our autumn meeting this year to discuss how we will organise ecotopia biketour 2014 - any contributions are welcome - and one of the points agreed there was that we will find a date and time for the SPRING MEETING as kick-off on next year's tour early enough so people can plan to be a part of it.<br /> The spring meeting will focus on the topic of the biketour, how we want bt days to be structured e.g. how long do we want to stay at projects and how far do we want to go, and of course route options.<br /> <br /> === Where &amp; When? ===<br /> <br /> We have now set a date and place for the SPRING MEETING:<br /> <br /> Thessaloniki, Greece - where the tour will be co-ordinated from.<br /> 13-16th March<br /> <br /> Concrete ideas in WHICH SPACE in a city it could take place are still being discussed. We have a potential venue, but if you do know of anywhere which could host meetings or people, write your suggestions here....<br /> <br /> <br /> There will be places to stay for the Spring Meeting. The idea is to stay for as long as you can/want, not to feel like you have to come for all four days. Also we hope to find space so that people can stay on after to help with co-ordination if they'd like to. What accommdation there will be for biketour coordinators will become clearer in the beginning of March.</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Food&diff=66065 2014-06-26T09:25:15Z

<p>George: /* the most important (and controversial) bit */</p> <hr /> <div>== the most important (and controversial) bit==<br /> <br /> ; How to make food for a large group: During the Biketour you will be responsible for preparing food for the group. Not many people have experience in dealing with food for such a large group so no-one is going to expect you to be an expert, but you will be expected to have a go. Whatever you make, not everyone will like it - it will be too spicy for someone, too salty for someone else, too garlicky for someone else etc, but the point of taking turns to make dinner is that everyone has the experience of cooking for the group some days and on others the possibility to sit back and relax after cycling. When preparing food for the Biketour, there are six main things to think about:<br /> <br /> ; Quantity: There is no firm rule for quantities of food per person, so it's better to ask someone more experienced.<br /> : In the evenings it is better to have too much than too little, as the leftovers can be eaten for breakfast, but on at least one occasion this has become a little extreme.<br /> * If we have food left over from breakfast or lunch it can be difficult or impossible to carry, so please don't buy too many foods which can't be carried, such as dairy products, or which might spill in the trailer, such as honey.<br /> <br /> ; Economics: There will be a limited budget for food so please try to stick to it. There are a few guidelines to help with this:<br /> * Don't buy tinned food if a dry version is available. Beans can be soaked in plastic bottles whilst they are being carried in the trailer, which saves on money and environment-damaging packaging.<br /> * Avoid exotic and out-of-season fruit and vegetables.<br /> * Less processed food is generally cheaper (and healthier). <br /> * Try to buy more filling food rather than treats which people can buy themselves.<br /> <br /> ; Waste :<br /> * Don't buy anything packaged if an unpackaged version is available<br /> * Buy glass bottles (preferably returnable) rather than plastic and try to avoid tetra-paks altogether as they can't be recycled.<br /> * You can empty the contents of returnable bottles into your own water container and return the bottle straight away. <br /> * Paper packaging is better than plastic because it biodegrades.<br /> * Try to avoid getting plastic bags with your shopping.<br /> * try to avoid aluminium packaging soft or hard<br /> <br /> ; Food miles/local economy: When making your favourite [[recipes]], be flexible about the ingredients and try substituting more local ingredients than you usually use. Try to support the local economy by buying directly from producers or from small shops and markets. Avoid supermarkets at all if possible - these put smaller shops and markets out of business and cannot buy from small local producers because they need to deal in huge quantities of food to keep their costs low. They also sell tasteless fruit and vegetables because they are bred to be big and shiny, not to taste good. For more on the problems of supermarkets, see the 'food &amp; agriculture' research of http://www.corporatewatch.org. Often you can find farms on the way selling fruits and vegetables and herbs, you can't get it more direct! <br /> <br /> ; Ethics: All meals on Biketour should be vegan, and other dietary requirements should be taken into account depending on the participants. Vegans don't eat any products from animals, such as meat, fish, eggs, ham, milk, cream, cheese, or yoghurt, and most eat no honey. In certain products it is necessary to look out for less obvious ingredients such as whey powder eg. in vegetable margarine. For breakfast, as long as there are some vegetables or fruits and vegan spreads (such as jam, peanut butter, tahini, vegetable margarine, some mustard) everything should be fine. Please make sure there is enough for everyone before taking a large portion or seconds for yourself. Think of people who aren't present when food is ready because they are busy with another task and keep them some from food aside.</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66064 2014-06-26T08:57:56Z

<p>George: /* Day-by-Day Routes */</p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.26915816;lat=41.00477288;zoom=15;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=kastaneri%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> on other maps with photos it seems that there coud be a turn of to the left in livada cutting 20km but cannot see it on facilmap and not sure about the profile ask in kastaneri<br /> the road look tarmac..<br /> which means that maybe facilmap does not have all the possibilities.<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> max elevation 80 metres<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.69324553;lat=39.84949358;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45703%2C22.58347;c.s.via.1=40.23953%2C22.58802;c.s.via.2=40.23534%2C22.51489;c.s.via.3=40.18709%2C22.55197;q=40.67638%2C22.93999%20to%20%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> 114 km max elevation 350 metres<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.89150836;lat=39.03701532;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.49155%2C22.88499;q=nessonas%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> take a ferry across the sea and then<br /> up and down but max elevation 90 m <br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.0479;lat=38.65305621;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=38.93135%2C23.0479;q=38.93135%2C23.0479%20to%20rovies<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.448113;lat=38.77890017;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%A1%CE%BF%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%AD%CF%82%2034005%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%95%CF%85%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%AC%2034004%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%95%CF%85%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.9695965;lat=38.12089188;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9D%CE%AD%CE%B1%20%CE%9C%CE%AC%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B7%2019005%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> shorter route have climbs up to 700m this one 250 mters<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.92507409;lat=38.11203138;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;c.s.via.0=37.99795%2C23.92301;c.s.via.1=38.01202%2C23.82276;q=Nea%20Makri%20to%2038.0089%2C23.64879<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map<br /> i tottally agree with all the suggestions and recomendations in this section. and you will find many local routes not on facilmap</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66063 2014-06-26T08:56:13Z

<p>George: /* Day-by-Day Routes */</p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.26915816;lat=41.00477288;zoom=15;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=kastaneri%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> on other maps with photos it seems that there coud be a turn of to the left in livada cutting 20km but cannot see it on facilmap and not sure about the profile ask in kastaneri<br /> the road look tarmac..<br /> which means that maybe facilmap does not have all the possibilities.<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> max elevation 80 metres<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.69324553;lat=39.84949358;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45703%2C22.58347;c.s.via.1=40.23953%2C22.58802;c.s.via.2=40.23534%2C22.51489;c.s.via.3=40.18709%2C22.55197;q=40.67638%2C22.93999%20to%20%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> 114 km max elevation 350 metres<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.89150836;lat=39.03701532;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.49155%2C22.88499;q=nessonas%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> take a ferry across the sea and then<br /> up and down but max elevation 90 m <br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.0479;lat=38.65305621;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=38.93135%2C23.0479;q=38.93135%2C23.0479%20to%20rovies<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.448113;lat=38.77890017;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%A1%CE%BF%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%AD%CF%82%2034005%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%95%CF%85%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%AC%2034004%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%95%CF%85%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.9695965;lat=38.12089188;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9D%CE%AD%CE%B1%20%CE%9C%CE%AC%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B7%2019005%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map<br /> i tottally agree with all the suggestions and recomendations in this section. and you will find many local routes not on facilmap</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66062 2014-06-26T08:38:59Z

<p>George: </p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.26915816;lat=41.00477288;zoom=15;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=kastaneri%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> on other maps with photos it seems that there coud be a turn of to the left in livada cutting 20km but cannot see it on facilmap and not sure about the profile ask in kastaneri<br /> the road look tarmac..<br /> which means that maybe facilmap does not have all the possibilities.<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> max elevation 80 metres<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.69324553;lat=39.84949358;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45703%2C22.58347;c.s.via.1=40.23953%2C22.58802;c.s.via.2=40.23534%2C22.51489;c.s.via.3=40.18709%2C22.55197;q=40.67638%2C22.93999%20to%20%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> take a ferry across the sea and then<br /> up and down but max elevation 90 m <br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.0479;lat=38.65305621;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=38.93135%2C23.0479;q=38.93135%2C23.0479%20to%20rovies<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map<br /> i tottally agree with all the suggestions and recomendations in this section. and you will find many local routes not on facilmap</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66061 2014-06-25T20:41:30Z

<p>George: /* Maps */</p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.26915816;lat=41.00477288;zoom=15;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=kastaneri%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> on other maps with photos it seems that there coud be a turn of to the left in livada cutting 20km but cannot see it on facilmap and not sure about the profile ask in kastaneri<br /> the road look tarmac..<br /> which means that maybe facilmap does not have all the possibilities.<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map<br /> i tottally agree with all the suggestions and recomendations in this section. and you will find many local routes not on facilmap</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66060 2014-06-25T20:23:18Z

<p>George: /* Day-by-Day Routes */</p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.26915816;lat=41.00477288;zoom=15;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=kastaneri%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> on other maps with photos it seems that there coud be a turn of to the left in livada cutting 20km but cannot see it on facilmap and not sure about the profile ask in kastaneri<br /> the road look tarmac..<br /> which means that maybe facilmap does not have all the possibilities.<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66059 2014-06-25T19:55:35Z

<p>George: </p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> the last 10 km has 800 metres climb.. no motorways<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.47585094;lat=40.96313014;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=41.06215%2C22.63803;q=%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%88%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20kastaneri<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66058 2014-06-25T18:00:14Z

<p>George: </p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece no main road 350 max elevayion<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.78197625;lat=39.52782534;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=39.79907%2C22.85021;c.s.via.1=39.70121%2C22.87733;c.s.via.2=39.70359%2C22.73383;c.s.via.3=39.60949%2C22.69228;c.s.via.4=39.60235%2C22.6964;c.s.via.5=39.57289%2C22.73829;c.s.via.6=39.56148%2C22.74842;c.s.via.7=39.5544%2C22.75872;c.s.via.8=39.53137%2C22.79262;c.s.via.9=39.51753%2C22.81193;q=%CE%9A%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%84%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%AC%2040003%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%93%CE%BB%CF%8D%CF%86%CE%B1%2035013%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A6%CE%B8%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AC%CF%82%20%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=2014_Route&diff=66053 2014-06-25T15:53:48Z

<p>George: /* Day-by-Day Routes */ thess ness</p> <hr /> <div>== Day-by-Day Routes ==<br /> <br /> Here we collect maps/tips for each part of the route - you can help out by looking at it beforehand so we are prepared for the road.<br /> <br /> one '''open source tool''' that can be used is https://facilmap.org/ which is based on openstreetmap data, look up a route, look at it in detail (does it not lead us on the motorway or up via the mountain) and then post the link with a bit of description here.<br /> Of course you can also use other sources, just suggest them here/use them, though we prefer open-source. It can also be a good scan of a map if you have.<br /> <br /> To know '''where we are going''' check on the route page on the website: https://www.ecotopiabiketour.net/?page_id=4438 especially the day by day calendar, so you may also split it up into single days and suggest an area of looking for a camping spot.<br /> <br /> * Sofia, Bulgaria to Zhelen, Bulgaria<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.351024;lat=42.84262062;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria<br /> <br /> * Zhelem, Bulgaria to Sokobanja, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.529773;lat=43.25419229;zoom=8;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%2C%20Bulgaria%20to%20Sokobanja%2C%20Serbia<br /> <br /> * Sokobanja, Serbia to Nis, Serbia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.793524;lat=43.4832588;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=43.63797%2C21.87708%20to%2043.30962%2C21.89103<br /> <br /> * Nis, Serbia to Pristina, Kosovo<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.02098568;lat=42.57462689;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=42.89443%2C21.69527;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.30800351;lat=42.91751632;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;c.s.via.0=43.23155%2C21.58728;c.s.via.1=43.13131%2C21.28952;q=43.30651%2C21.89443%20to%2042.65799%2C21.16119<br /> <br /> * Pristina, Kosovo to Skopje, Makedonia<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.21838143;lat=42.10611303;zoom=12;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> ** or with motorway, less climb<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=21.2613785;lat=42.35792859;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=Prishtin%C3%AB%20to%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia<br /> <br /> * Skopie, Makedonia to Doirani, Greece<br /> **similar elevation by motorway or not<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.067453;lat=41.61339298;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.065718;lat=41.61369078;zoom=9;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=car;q=%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5%201000%2C%20%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%2C%20%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%2C%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Republic%20of%20Macedonia%20to%20dojran<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to Kastaneri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Kastaneri, Greece to Xifiani, Greece<br /> <br /> * Xifiani, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.496116;lat=40.77350754;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **or 10km shorter<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.4989105;lat=40.78517793;zoom=11;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%9E%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE%2058400%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A0%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Doirani, Greece to lerissos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.34159325;lat=40.57319491;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=dojran%20to%20%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Ierissos, Greece to Thessaloniki, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.41690618;lat=40.44506778;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.36723%2C23.63526;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.4066065;lat=40.50937677;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=fastest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%99%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%82%2063075%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%A7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Nessonas, Greece with less main roads but at the end before nessonas a 1500m for the braves<br /> https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.62204633;lat=39.9560503;zoom=14;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;c.s.via.0=40.45614%2C22.58728;c.s.via.1=40.41276%2C22.60746;c.s.via.2=40.40825%2C22.60883;c.s.via.3=40.39086%2C22.61775;c.s.via.4=40.37517%2C22.62591;c.s.via.5=40.30294%2C22.61389;c.s.via.6=40.31878%2C22.62127;c.s.via.7=40.29489%2C22.6102;c.s.via.8=39.81267%2C22.68711;c.s.via.9=39.86381%2C22.70771;q=%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%2C%20%CE%94%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%9A%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20nessonas<br /> <br /> * Thessaloniki, Greece to Koutsoupia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Koutsoupia, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nessonas, Greece to Volos, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.7397255;lat=39.54532048;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=foot;q=%CE%9D%CE%AD%CF%83%CF%83%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2040006%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9B%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece%20to%20%CE%92%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%9D%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Volos, Greece to Glyfa, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=22.8592945;lat=39.15867215;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=bicycle;q=volos%20to%20glyfa<br /> <br /> * Glyfa, Greece to Rovies, Greece<br /> <br /> * Rovies, Greece to Vlachia, Greece<br /> <br /> * Vlachia, Greece to Marathonas, Greece<br /> **https://facilmap.org/#lon=23.7365735;lat=38.46234506;zoom=10;layer=Mpnk;c.s.type=shortest;c.s.medium=car;q=38.74314%2C23.665%20to%20%CE%9C%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%20%CE%91%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20Greece<br /> <br /> * Marathonas, Greece to Nea Makri, Greece<br /> <br /> * Nea Makri, Greece to Haidari, Athens, Greece<br /> <br /> == Maps ==<br /> <br /> Although we can prepare with the above online resources and probably print some parts of it we will definitely need good maps of the region, which show also all the smaller roads. We have only few for this year's route, so we need to either source the rest by you coming and lending to the collective or buying them. Let us know what you have and could bring (meaning that you won't keep it in your pocket everyday but the scouts of a specific day will have it). Preferable are regional maps (around 1:200.000 - 1:300.000) which show minor roads, ascents and descents, probably even with steepness indications in percent)<br /> <br /> * freytag &amp; berndt Ex-Yugoslavian countries 1:600.000<br /> * Michelin Greece 1:700.000<br /> * District of Kilkis map <br /> * Thessaloniki city and region maps<br /> * Athens city center map<br /> * Sofia city center map<br /> * Halkidiki route osm print-outs<br /> * Athens osm print-outs<br /> * EuroVelo Routes map</div>

George https://wiki.ecotopiabiketour.net/index.php?title=Biketour_2014&diff=65929 2014-04-03T20:57:31Z

<p>George: /* Route possibilites from spring meeting 2014 */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> '''!!!DATA REMINDER!!!<br /> ''This Wiki is a public space on the net. Be sensitive and responsible with the data you provide here. Think twice whether you, someone else or even groups/projects might have a problem (later) with information being posted here. Keep in mind that openness about information is a different thing from person to person and place to place and that unconscious handling of information can lead to problems later.''<br /> <br /> <br /> = Ideas =<br /> <br /> == Route possibilites from spring meeting 2014 ==<br /> <br /> At the spring meeting in Thessaloniki in March 2014 we came to the following outlines of possible routes for 2014, based on the knowledge and/or contacts of a few projects we had. We aimed for about 1500 km in the outlines, which will surely become longer anyway once we fix more exact routes.<br /> There are two possible starting points: either on the western Balkan coast in Montenegro/Crna Gora close to Albania or in Sofija. There are also two possible final destinations, those being the two major big cities: either Athens or Istanbul. This makes up for 4, actually 5 of the following graphs, one of them trying to be both in Montenegro and Sofija, thus also a bit longer. The 6th option is a round trip from Thessaloniki through the northern neighbouring countries and back.<br /> All of those are preliminary, based on only few contacts, so anyone who could contribute any arguments as to why we should or should not go to a certain area/choose a certain route please post a comment here below the links.<br /> <br /> <br /> {|<br /> |+ ''Route options''<br /> |-<br /> | A || [[File:Sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | B || [[File:Podgorica-shkodra-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-istanbul.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | C || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | D || [[File:Podgorica-shkoder-prishtina-skopje-sofija-ierissos-thessaloniki-volos-athina.png|400px]]<br /> |-<br /> | E || [[File:Thessaloniki-ierissos-peliti-komotini-svilengrad-sofija-prishtina-skopje-thessaloniki1.png|400px]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> * I really like the idea of going to ...<br /> * ...from Montenegro via Macedonia Albania bulgria Kosovo to Istanbul for a diversity of culture and history approach to crisis<br /> * ...<br /> * ...<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> * We should avoid ... <br /> * ... (that's me)<br /> * ...Flatire, broknspoke, Downhilbendfall,<br /> * ...<br /> <br /> * I prefer this option because ...<br /> * Personally, I prefer not to make a bucle-closeTour... for envolving more regions. (kbra)<br /> * ..personally.a combination of a few proposed routes<br /> on last year experience not many participants after 15th of august. lets do the most in the south Balkans<br /> .universities stop In june and end of august many need to head home..so why not a mid June start??<br /> again on last year experience places with no project planned .. lead to more exchange with local ie BrCKO and within the group<br /> it might also lead to a spread of the number of participants less worrying for welcoming projects.<br /> <br /> * ...<br /> <br /> ...<br /> <br /> any comments and opinions welcome<br /> <br /> == Route / Region / Theme Ideas ==<br /> <br /> The route and theme of this year's tour is not yet decided but we are looking to visit projects, join up with grassroots campaigns, NGOs and social movements and communities relevant to structural (economic/political) or personal (e.g. poverty as a result of austerity) crises and how people are finding creative solutions to coping with its effects or fighting against it. We will also revisit themes that we have seen in previous biketours such as 'degrowth', public debt, austerity, economic refugees, minorities and solidarity.<br /> <br /> What we do know is that we will be organising the tour from Thessaloniki in Northern Greece from March and will begin cycling in July, or possibly the beginning of August. Where we head to will depend on projects and opportunities we find to visit - and this all depends on the ideas that come from everyone....<br /> <br /> If you can think of any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way, then put them on the list below or email team-2014@ecotopiabiketour.net (or both!). If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> == Theme Ideas ==<br /> * Crisis and Creative Solution Approaches<br /> <br /> == Project Visit Ideas ==<br /> We will not display names of projects/organisations on the Wiki until we have had confirmation from them that this is ok. So, in these planning stages, can you recommend any places / people / communities / projects / activists in the southern Balkans area that we should visit to learn from, take part in actions or to lend a hand in some way? If you can't, but you know someone who can, perhaps someone living in this part of Europe, please do ask them to share information so that we can consider their ideas, along with all of the other options, at our meeting in March.<br /> <br /> Please send any info/ideas to '''team-2014@ecotopiabiketour.net'''<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> = Spring meeting 2014 =<br /> <br /> Dear ecotopians,<br /> <br /> we just finished our autumn meeting this year to discuss how we will organise ecotopia biketour 2014 - any contributions are welcome - and one of the points agreed there was that we will find a date and time for the SPRING MEETING as kick-off on next year's tour early enough so people can plan to be a part of it.<br /> The spring meeting will focus on the topic of the biketour, how we want bt days to be structured e.g. how long do we want to stay at projects and how far do we want to go, and of course route options.<br /> <br /> == Where &amp; When? ==<br /> <br /> We have now set a date and place for the SPRING MEETING:<br /> <br /> Thessaloniki, Greece - where the tour will be co-ordinated from.<br /> 13-16th March<br /> <br /> Concrete ideas in WHICH SPACE in a city it could take place are still being discussed. We have a potential venue, but if you do know of anywhere which could host meetings or people, write your suggestions here....<br /> <br /> <br /> There will be places to stay for the Spring Meeting. The idea is to stay for as long as you can/want, not to feel like you have to come for all four days. Also we hope to find space so that people can stay on after to help with co-ordination if they'd like to. What accommdation there will be for biketour coordinators will become clearer in the beginning of March.</div>

George