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==BT meetings== | ==BT meetings== | ||
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Meeting to make descisions on the timeschedule for Biketour 2008 (see actual discussion on biketour emaillists) | Meeting to make descisions on the timeschedule for Biketour 2008 (see actual discussion on biketour emaillists) | ||
For now there are two proposed dates | For now there are two proposed dates times: | ||
'''Monday 26th of may at 20:00''' (Pippa will probably be in Sofia and able to join) | '''Monday 26th of may at 20:00''' (Pippa will probably be in Sofia and able to join) | ||
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===[[meeting minutes]]=== | ===[[meeting minutes]]=== | ||
'''MEETING ON TIMELINE BIKETOUR2008''' | |||
'''27th may 2008 10:00''' | |||
who?:Pippa just reached Sofia this morning around 3, so the meeting was npostponed until tuesday morning. We talked with Suha (who didn't have a microphone, but could write in the chat), Daka, Pipa, Radost and me. Milan couldn't be there (can you give us an update on organization of the Serbian part?). | |||
Short summary of meeting: | |||
First we looked together at the routeplan of Suha (see attachment) and as this plan seems to fit within the timeschedule of 25 days (option number one, the late start) we took a critical look on this plan and asked him questions to be sure about this possibility. | |||
Questions, answers and remarks concerning Suha's routplan for Turkey: | |||
#the road conditions? good, asfalt all the way | |||
#the amount of traffic on the coastal road? good, not to much traffic and also not in the summer season (totally different infomation as Greg's friends gave us... We surely need more information about this!!!!). | |||
#If there are possible alternative roads which could be taken if the traffic seems worse then expected? Suha told us that there are 3 possible (direct) roads from Istanbul to Sinop: the coastal road = not a mayor road, the highway (i guess the E 80) and in between another main road (I guess the D100) with lot's of lorries. The coastal road seems like best option with this information. (After the meeting me and Pippa where looking on googlemaps and there are lot's of little roads.. but they seem pretty chaotic and make a lot of turns... will take long time... also we don't know the conditions of this roads. It could be an option tough to find alternatives during the biketour for certain parts...). Also we asked about the mountainroads and if they wouldn't be a better choice (concerning traffic)? According to Suha the roads more inland are more trafficy... more lorries.. (also #this information is different then the info we have got from Gregs friends.. ) | |||
#Besides of this Suha's timeplan for the route didn't incalculate a 3 days stay in Istanbul (but just 1 resting day)and there was just one other resting day planned in this route (this should be a few more). | |||
#Suha's proposal is based on aprox. distances of 50-55 km a day, it's hilly terrain (no mountains) acoording to him. | |||
So this is the information we have on the turkish part... It's little and contradictive with earlier information.. We need more information before the routeplan can be really decided | |||
Anyway all people in the meeting were convinced that we need to set a timeschedule for the biketour! | |||
'''Decision''' | |||
Based on the information we have and Suha's calculations (50-55 km a day) that this routeplan will fit in 25 days | |||
and that an alternative routeplan (with use of public transport between border of turkey and Istanbul and Istanbul and Sile and a possible longer route through mountains... could also fit in a timeschedule of 30 days (still we will cycle an average of 50-55 km a day, which will be tough, but is less then average distance in former BT's through rough terrain) | |||
we decided to find a compromis between the two options for the timeschedule. | |||
This means: 30 days for Turkey (resting days included!), but the routeplan needs further elaboration: which road will be best (based on more info on conditions/traffic)? Should we take public transport on certain parts? | |||
Ecotopia will take place from 9 to 23 july, we planned to arrive the 14th, but can always arrive a bit earlier or later... | |||
Of course the participation level will change with this decision, but 5 days earlier is already better then 10.. (a real compromise). We will try to provide good information for participants who want to take part in the tour on later stage. Best information we can give is clear dates and places some weeks before the Biketour starts (NOW!!!), so participants can start planning, arrange transport/visa/other neccesities and registrate! | |||
'''Conclusion''': Overview of timeschedule BT08 | |||
start in Belgrade:16 june | |||
border Serbia-Bulgaria: 1 july | |||
Sofia: 2-4 july (1 arrival day - 1 preparation/meeting/workshop day -1 action day- + celebrate yo's birthday on 4-7 day ;) | |||
Border Bulgaria-Turkey: 5-15 july | |||
Istanbul: (depends on planning turkish route) | |||
Ecotopia: 14 august | |||
Meeting in Istanbul: | |||
Yo is planning to meet Suha on the 7th of june in Istanbul to take a closer look at the routeplan + gather more information. Besides this there will be a meeting of Ecotopia organizers on this day and probably they will go this weekend by car to Sinop to check out the place for the camp (the permissions are arranged!). I will try to convince them to take the coastal road (partly) so I can take a look here. And talk to people to get more info on the different roadoptions + conditions and check public transport options (also for way back!). | |||
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BT meetings
we meet every some months in person - next meeting will be in march in spain somewhere - details to be announced soon here !
Mailing list
Our mailing lists are very important Internet_resources to maintain communication
online wheel meeting
Next online meeting:
Meeting to make descisions on the timeschedule for Biketour 2008 (see actual discussion on biketour emaillists)
For now there are two proposed dates times:
Monday 26th of may at 20:00 (Pippa will probably be in Sofia and able to join)
or
Tuesday 27th of may at 19:00
Who will take part? at least national organizers. It would for sure be helpfull to have some experienced former BTorganizers involved.
- Suha, Milan, Teodor/Radi (national organizers) and others inform Yolanda (YO) when you are able to join as soon as possible! Then she can decide on the definite date!!!
- YO will prepair an agenda and overview of arguments and info concerning the dicussion on the BT08 timeschedule
- To join the meeting you will have to send a skype chat message to YO - holadiyo - so that she can invite you to the conference call
- check your connection before the meeting starts! (see below)
and the we do the wheel meetings online using skype when will the next wheel meeting be ? when do you have time ?
jan: sunday afternoon
karl: sunday evening (after 20:00 CEST)
Janneke: sunday afternoon or evening is usually fine. In Principle every evening except wednesday, but that doesn't always work out...
will there be any meeting before biketourstart?
if you want to join the wheel meeting, you need a working skype setup.
that would be a computer with internet, speaker and a microphone and the
programm skype [[1]] installed
best is to have a headset, which is earphones and a microphone in one
device, they produce best quality. they are really not very expensive.
but i also skyped with people using earphones as microphones or just the
microphone of their laptop
if you install skype on your computer, everything might just work. if it
does not, dial echo123 and check it out - the skype website offers a lot
of solutions to possible problems - please check it out before the
meeting so that you can participate in it and we are more occupied with
chatting away than with solving computer problems
to join the meeting you will have to send a skype chat message to
roeland - kuijperroeland - so that he can invite you to the conference call
agenda points
space for things you want to be discussed during the next meeting,
meeting minutes
MEETING ON TIMELINE BIKETOUR2008 27th may 2008 10:00
who?:Pippa just reached Sofia this morning around 3, so the meeting was npostponed until tuesday morning. We talked with Suha (who didn't have a microphone, but could write in the chat), Daka, Pipa, Radost and me. Milan couldn't be there (can you give us an update on organization of the Serbian part?).
Short summary of meeting: First we looked together at the routeplan of Suha (see attachment) and as this plan seems to fit within the timeschedule of 25 days (option number one, the late start) we took a critical look on this plan and asked him questions to be sure about this possibility.
Questions, answers and remarks concerning Suha's routplan for Turkey:
- the road conditions? good, asfalt all the way
- the amount of traffic on the coastal road? good, not to much traffic and also not in the summer season (totally different infomation as Greg's friends gave us... We surely need more information about this!!!!).
- If there are possible alternative roads which could be taken if the traffic seems worse then expected? Suha told us that there are 3 possible (direct) roads from Istanbul to Sinop: the coastal road = not a mayor road, the highway (i guess the E 80) and in between another main road (I guess the D100) with lot's of lorries. The coastal road seems like best option with this information. (After the meeting me and Pippa where looking on googlemaps and there are lot's of little roads.. but they seem pretty chaotic and make a lot of turns... will take long time... also we don't know the conditions of this roads. It could be an option tough to find alternatives during the biketour for certain parts...). Also we asked about the mountainroads and if they wouldn't be a better choice (concerning traffic)? According to Suha the roads more inland are more trafficy... more lorries.. (also #this information is different then the info we have got from Gregs friends.. )
- Besides of this Suha's timeplan for the route didn't incalculate a 3 days stay in Istanbul (but just 1 resting day)and there was just one other resting day planned in this route (this should be a few more).
- Suha's proposal is based on aprox. distances of 50-55 km a day, it's hilly terrain (no mountains) acoording to him.
So this is the information we have on the turkish part... It's little and contradictive with earlier information.. We need more information before the routeplan can be really decided Anyway all people in the meeting were convinced that we need to set a timeschedule for the biketour!
Decision Based on the information we have and Suha's calculations (50-55 km a day) that this routeplan will fit in 25 days and that an alternative routeplan (with use of public transport between border of turkey and Istanbul and Istanbul and Sile and a possible longer route through mountains... could also fit in a timeschedule of 30 days (still we will cycle an average of 50-55 km a day, which will be tough, but is less then average distance in former BT's through rough terrain) we decided to find a compromis between the two options for the timeschedule.
This means: 30 days for Turkey (resting days included!), but the routeplan needs further elaboration: which road will be best (based on more info on conditions/traffic)? Should we take public transport on certain parts? Ecotopia will take place from 9 to 23 july, we planned to arrive the 14th, but can always arrive a bit earlier or later...
Of course the participation level will change with this decision, but 5 days earlier is already better then 10.. (a real compromise). We will try to provide good information for participants who want to take part in the tour on later stage. Best information we can give is clear dates and places some weeks before the Biketour starts (NOW!!!), so participants can start planning, arrange transport/visa/other neccesities and registrate!
Conclusion: Overview of timeschedule BT08
start in Belgrade:16 june
border Serbia-Bulgaria: 1 july
Sofia: 2-4 july (1 arrival day - 1 preparation/meeting/workshop day -1 action day- + celebrate yo's birthday on 4-7 day ;)
Border Bulgaria-Turkey: 5-15 july
Istanbul: (depends on planning turkish route)
Ecotopia: 14 august
Meeting in Istanbul: Yo is planning to meet Suha on the 7th of june in Istanbul to take a closer look at the routeplan + gather more information. Besides this there will be a meeting of Ecotopia organizers on this day and probably they will go this weekend by car to Sinop to check out the place for the camp (the permissions are arranged!). I will try to convince them to take the coastal road (partly) so I can take a look here. And talk to people to get more info on the different roadoptions + conditions and check public transport options (also for way back!).